Billie Eilish on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. We have an

incredible guest today. It is the one,

the only Billy Isish. Billy,

so great. Love her. And we're going to

talk about so many good things. We are

going to talk about how important it is

to laugh. Um, we're going to talk about

intrusive thoughts, what to do with

them. We're going to talk about how much

she loves to sing and how lucky we are

that she loves to sing because she's the

best voice in the world. We are gonna

talk about how she saved an animal that

was in her own walls. And uh we're going

to talk about her new concert film, Hit

Me Hard and Soft, coming out this week

in theaters. So much to talk about.

She's the best, Billy. And um you know,

we always like to do something on this

show. We like to uh speak to someone who

knows our guest and wants to speak well

behind our guest's back. And who do we

get? Phineas, of course. Phineas, her

brother, her collaborator, an incredible

producer, a musician, writer, composer,

um, who probably knows Billy better than

anyone and, um, very nicely uh, is

speaking to us while he drives his car

in LA. So, let's get on let's get on the

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>> Fineas.

>> Hi. How's it going? Let me pull my car

over. Hang on.

>> Oh my god. This is very LA that you're

zooming from while you're driving.

>> Yeah. Well, the softball game the park

the Saturday morning softball game just

ended. Okay, cool. I'm pulling over. I'm

t taking this Whimo's space. Here I go.

I'm pulling over to really look you in

the eye and focus. Here we go.

>> I have a question about the Whimo. A lot

of people who don't live in California

don't experience this Whimo, which is a

driverless car.

>> That's right.

>> What do you think happens if you if you

hit a Whimo?

What happens?

>> Yeah. I am much more blasze about

cutting off a car with no driver than I

am about cutting off another human

being. I don't Yeah, I don't care. I

think it's really interesting that we

treat driverless cars like with derision

like we're we we're like whatever don't

let the Whimo in.

>> But we kind of love the little shopping

cart thing that rolls around. That is

adorable.

>> Have you ever been in an LA intersection

where the little robot delivery

cart meets a Whimo at the same time and

they just stand there together like

they're in love? I assume.

>> Uh I like that. No, I have I look

forward that's going to be that's going

to be like, you know, a four-leaf clover

in a field. That's

>> keep your eye out for that for that meat

cute that that meat LA meat cute. Okay.

I guess my what I what I wanted to ask

you before we get to your question and I

know you're literally pulled over on the

side of the highway so we won't keep you

but um you have made a point of letting

us in on your creative process a lot

which I really appreciate as a person

who tries to make things. What do you

like about letting people in on that?

Cuz people some people don't really feel

like they don't like to do that. What do

you get out of showing people how you

make things?

>> I like it because there's it's it's be

become in the music production space

more and more popular. I would say that

like when I was 13 and I was scouring

the internet trying to find the kind of

videos that we've made a lot of. I was

finding some but not a ton. And man, I

find them inspiring. You know what I

mean? I see here comes a a fire truck.

I'm going to wait for a beep.

>> I hope it's a Whimo fire truck and

nobody fire. Yeah. nobody driving it.

Um,

I find it I find it so inspiring as a

consumer to be like, "Oh, that's a

laptop that I could buy at the Apple

store and that's a microphone." Like,

there's kind of there's a kind of a

magic and mystery in hearing a great

song that makes it feel unattainable to

me. And I think that when I see somebody

break it down, um, I go like, "Oh, wow.

I could do that." And I think also I'm

I'm always rolling my eyes in the music

space at people acting like they have

some secret sauce, secret ingredient

thing. Yeah.

>> And to me it's like no no there is

nothing. It's all just like I had an

idea and here's how it is and it's

probably simpler than you think it is or

maybe it's just more tedious or

painstaking. You know what I mean? So

>> that I love that quality. I love and I

also think that like it connects people

to the to the project more like I'm a

DVD behind the scenes commentary of a

movie guy. I love learning about the

process of making the thing and I think

it makes you love something more.

>> Any creative process like they're all

kind of similar. It's like a lot of

trying things in real time and then like

a lot of jokes to like get your brain

off lines cuz you're you can't think

anymore which I I I can like I love that

you and Billy when you work together you

do that a lot. You like use comedy to

switch yourself out of a rut or out of a

mood or something. I've noticed

>> where where she cracks me up so much

when I make her laugh. Much like your

laugh or like Conan's laugh or something

like she has a laugh to me that I'm like

like that makes me feel so good to make

Billy laugh.

>> That's such an eldest child. Oh, Pineas,

it's so nice cuz Okay, I'm the oldest.

The eldest child.

We have it the worst.

I'm sorry. It's the hardest. We have a

lot of weight on our shoulders and we're

also like really always trying to get

our younger sibling to laugh feel

better. We're like that we feel we feel

a lot of obligation. I don't know if

it's different for oldest boys, but what

do you like and not like about being an

eldest child?

>> I guess the only thing I don't like is

that on a good day when I feel like I'm

really in the pocket, it seems like, oh,

it must be cool to have an older

sibling. That seems

>> That's what I'm saying. like the period

of time where I could drive her places

and like that. I was like, "This is

awesome."

>> Um, so that's a kind of a con. Like I

wish I had a a cool older sister or

older brother or something. Uh, and then

the pro is just having a younger sibling

is awesome, you know, and uh and getting

to like roll your eyes with your parents

about your younger sibling growing up

being like they're they're being insane.

Being the being the favorite, that's

awesome.

>> Who doesn't like being the favorite?

>> Oh my god. I know. So, you talk about

like, you know, liking the idea that

you're Billy's protector and and you're

also obviously

so important in her life, in her career,

and you guys are also doing tremendous

things separately. And what I wanted to

ask one last question is, how would you

describe the way you like to work? Um,

my fantasy is that you get in a place

with somebody and the prerec is that you

go in there and you already think

they're talented. Even if they're not

successful yet, they've done something

that you're like, I am attracted to that

quality. I think they have an amazing

voice or they're a great writer or

whatever it is. So, you already come in

an admirer and then you hang out and you

make each other laugh and you have a cup

of coffee and you let your guard down

and you talk about something and

then you're like, "Oh, damn." Like, we

probably only have like 90 minutes

before you have that flight back to New

York. Do you want to try to make

something really quick? And then you

make something in this kind of like

pressures off um expectations have gone

away sort of a thing. And then when

you're in that process, you get inspired

and you get passionate and you get the

kind of feeling that we all get of like,

no, no, we want to make this the best it

can be, but that it's all inside this

kind of, you know, eggshell of like

we're just like there, you know, we're

just having a blast here. We're just

having a great time. And I don't think

that you're a failure if you don't make

something today and you don't think I'm

a loser.

>> I don't know if you've ever met Mike

Sher who's a showrunner and writer.

>> I have not met him, but I'm an admirer.

I know who he You and Mike remind me of

each other a lot. um and when I've heard

you speak and because it's just

basically this idea of like you can

decide that chaos is going to be the

thing that's the agent that creates

creativity or you're going to or you can

decide it's connection

and you it sometimes there's an truly

eccentric chaotic experience that's like

holy we made something but for the

most part like if it's chaotic and not

connected it's hard

>> and also imagine I feel like the the

real pivot for me was like I was very

ambitious as a 19-year-old, 20-year-old,

mainly cuz I didn't I didn't want the

opportunity to go away. I felt like we

had this great thing. I didn't want to

lose it. And I was stressed. I was like,

"Oh my god, like I don't want to fail."

And I think that then we succeeded in a

bigger way than I thought we would. And

then we've had sort of ups and downs as

everybody does. And I was like, "Oh,

okay. So then if I really have no

control over whether something succeeds

or not, I might as well just have the

best time possible making the thing

>> because the couple times in my life that

I've been involved in making something

that was unpleasant to make.

>> Yes.

>> I didn't really care if it succeeded, I

was like that was horrible to work on

that. And especially if it failed in

whatever metric or capacity, I was like,

oh my god, what was the point of all

that? That was awful to do. And then

nobody even liked it. And now I work on

stuff and I'm like, well, you can't take

away from me that I had this amazing

summer. I mean, it's part of the unfair

thing about working with Billy for me is

I'm like, I'm expected to work with

people that I love so much less than my

sister. And you know what I mean? Like

year when you spend about a year making

a record and I'm like, yeah, that's a

year. I get to hang out with Billy like

three days a week and have a wonderful

time with her every time. and the idea

of like getting in with somebody that's

a stranger, it could lead to that, but

it's like unlikely that I'm going to

love somebody that much, you know.

>> So, what do you love about your sister?

>> I love so many things about her. I think

she's so earnest and sweet and um

hardworking and um I think she sees the

the world through a totally different

lens than I do. And then there are

things that we, you know, feel similarly

about and we think the same thing about.

Um, I love disagreeing with her about

stuff. It never for no reason, but I

love finding out why she feels

differently about something. She's so

competitive. I love that about her.

>> I love that about her, too.

>> I'm not a competitive guy. Like, we lost

this softball game. I do not care. Like,

that is not a problem to me. And if

Billy were at this softball game with

me, Billy' be sitting here next to me

like Kobe when Kobe would lose the

championship. like she is a she is a

fighter and I love that and that's lucky

for me to be you know on the same team

as um

>> and um you know and she's an amazing uh

uh compassionate sort of loving person.

She she got all that from our mom. She

loves animals of all kinds. She's

incredibly environmentally conscient

conscious. She's she's learned so many

lessons that I think take other people a

a longer time to learn if they ever do.

Agree.

>> So I'm an admirer of all those things.

>> Oh, thank you for saying that. So well

said. And so to our last uh to to let

you get back on the road and to honestly

take a look at how you could have done

better on the field

because that is important on your ride

home.

>> Yeah.

>> Um what what do you have a question? Uh

anything you think Billy would want to

talk about or you know uh Yes. Okay. You

got one. You got one.

>> I do. I do. Okay. So, I think that the

best way for me to phrase this is to not

overexlain it to you because I think you

learning it from Billy is funnier.

>> Okay.

>> I want you to ask Billy what tomato bis

soup is

and I want you to ask Billy how she lost

tomato bisc soup.

>> Fantastic. Perfect. This feels like

family lore. I can't wait to get into

it.

>> It's shockingly recent. This is not This

is not some thing from 10 years ago.

This is like This is fresh.

>> This is Friday.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Oh my god. Awesome. Okay, Phineia, thank

you so much for your time and doing

this. And truly, anytime you want to

come in here and talk more, I would love

it. So,

>> I'd be honored. I'm a big fan. Thanks

again. Have fun with

>> Thank you so much. You're the best. Talk

to you soon. And nice to meet you.

>> Bye. Nice to meet you.

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>> Woohoo!

>> Oh my god, Billy Eyish is here. Billy.

Okay. I mean, you're a tiny You're a

teeny tiny, but you're a giant. But

you're a teeny tiny. You're a teeny tiny

lady.

>> What are you talking about?

>> You're a shorty. Like

>> I am shorty. I am a shorty. This is

true.

>> You're a shorty. How's your tiny shorty?

52.

>> 52. And you are?

>> I'm 5'3.

>> We'll see. 52. Yeah, we'll see. Should

we Should we height check?

>> People are 5'2 like to say they're 5'3.

>> Well, you know what's interesting? I've

been 53. I'm still saying that I'm 5'3

because I feel that it's not true that

I've grown an inch, but I did just go to

the doctor and they checked my height

and I was 5'4 suddenly. And I've been 53

since I was like 12 years old. So, I've

been telling everybody that I grew an

inch. I literally been going around and

being like, "Guys, I grew an inch."

>> Do you think though you have good Do you

think you have good posture or do you

think your posture's gotten better?

>> I think my posture is better and I think

my posture is generally good. I do have

the phone the iPhone bump. you know, the

iPhone bump at the top of the spine kind

of vibe. But other than that,

>> yeah, because you probably have like

Alexander technique dancer training

posture stuff. Yeah.

>> Well, but well done.

>> I actually have been working on my

posture because

>> is your posture bad in general?

>> It is pretty bad. It's getting worse.

It's getting worse. And

>> it's getting worse. Interesting.

>> I know.

>> Because of this, because of working,

because of sitting?

>> No, I think just because Well, maybe

because of computers and phones. Yeah.

But it might just be like age and yeah,

so I have to work on it. Okay, so Billy

Eyish is here. We're working on our

posture.

>> You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant.

>> You're a giant in every industry. Okay,

>> I don't know how to not totally praise

head to, so I'm going to take it slow.

>> Okay. Very, very pumped that you're

here. I'm such a fan of your work. I am

such a um a fan of how you work.

And my gosh, you've been very generous

to us, uh, people who don't know you but

get to experience your art. you've been

very generous in like showing us how you

work

>> and I am like really blown away by how

you approach your art and your work

because what I feel from you and I think

is true is like you have this thing a

lot of it comes from your family the way

you were raised like this kind of like

the way in which your family

the people around you like made you like

a citizen of the world

>> that you're not you don't feel above

people.

>> I know. And because of that, it's like

you're in in it with us. Like this whole

thing feels like we're in it together.

>> You're like you're physically in it.

Like you're physically in the crowd.

You're physically in the room. Like you

you put you throw yourself in

>> sometimes. I get nervous for you.

>> And then but you also because of it,

that's why we feel as as fans, we feel

so connected to you. And

>> my god,

>> the the other part of you that I love is

you're so funny and you love to laugh.

Like comedy is so important to you.

>> Oh my god. I was literally saying

yesterday I was with my friends and we

were talking about how we live to laugh.

I just I literally live to laugh. I said

this to my friend cuz she was talking

about relationships and she was like she

was like, "Well, I just didn't laugh."

And and I was like, "Well, you

live to laugh specifically and I do

too." And so when you're not with

somebody who makes you laugh anyway, she

the rest of the day she kept being like,

"I can't get over you saying live to

laugh."

>> It is medicine. Amy, thank you for

saying all that stuff out on my face.

>> Oh my god.

>> Um God. Also, you're like us as fans.

Just you saying that.

>> Are you kidding me? I'm such a fan.

>> Wow.

>> Thank you very much. But yes, I feel I

feel one with the world and the fans and

all. Well, I think like the comedy part

is important because it is like, you

know, you can do so many things well and

you're you're in a family of artists who

do a lot of things and you're doing a

lot of things.

>> Yes.

>> But the comedy part if like I'm curious

where that where I'm curious like what

your relationship was to comedy as a

little kid and a young person and like

your family like you guys laugh a lot.

Oh yeah.

>> And you all have good senses of humor.

Like really sharp.

>> Yeah. I mean, my mom was was my both of

my parents. Gosh, this is amazing. I

literally like have never talked about

anything in this realm, which I'm loving

right now already. Um,

>> I mean, my mom was in the Groundlings,

so she is just naturally very funny and

very quick and witty and like

>> has so many characters and so does my

dad. My dad is like an incredible face

maker. He makes amazing faces and he and

I used to have like face making

competitions when we were when I was a

little kid. And um

>> so I would always see them just be funny

all the time and all they did was be

funny and laugh and all Phineas I mean

Phineas Phineas is like truly a comedic

genius.

>> Yeah. He has really good jokes

>> like really funny like and has been

forever. I mean when we were I was

thinking about this today randomly that

way when when we were doing meetings

with like labels and stuff when I was 14

and he was 18. He was just like cracking

jokes for the the whole thing and making

everybody, you know, die laughing. So, I

don't know what it came from. I love to

laugh so much. And I just

>> That's where it came from. Just as you

said, like you you you start to like

know what you see.

>> And like the love language at your

family was like laughter jokes,

laughter, and a little bit of slight

teasing, which to me is a sign of love.

>> That's literally my I live I I live for

that. I I like there's nothing that's

funnier to me than being made fun of and

making fun of someone else.

>> To me, it's like how I show someone that

I love and and that that's how love is

shown to me.

>> Yes. 100%.

>> And it is just like some families, it's

wild. Some families don't do that.

>> Uh I can't even believe that some people

don't do that.

>> Some people don't do that. Sometimes

like I feel like people enter my life

and I start to like absolutely just go

in on them for whatever thing I'm making

fun and they and and it's like I realize

like oh you you don't do this so it

feels like I'm bullying you but really

I'm just trying to be

>> I'm loving you.

>> I'm loving you. I'm loving you so much.

>> Oh my god. Also like laughing at

yourself is like the greatest one of the

greatest joys and like

>> it is and it's a sign of intelligence.

But having a sense of humor about

yourself, especially when you're all

eyes are on you or when you're young

person is super hard.

>> Taking yourselves too seriously is just

the worst quality in the world.

>> It is. But it it it is the worst

quality. But it is but I have empathy

for it because usually it comes from

like you know what I saw it a lot in SNL

because you got people at their most

nervous.

>> Yes. And when people are nervous, like

whatever is your shadow side comes out.

Like either you get quiet or you get

kind of mean to people or you get hectic

or

>> and when you're nervous like sometimes

people just they they they really tense

up. They want to take things seriously

cuz they want to do a good job

>> and you're like I hate to break it to

you. The secret is to be a big dummy and

pretend that life is a dream.

>> I know it's hard. It's a hard lesson.

Well, it's like the whole thing that

people talk about these days, which is

so real, which is like embracing

being cringe is is literally allowing

yourself to be happy and free. Like like

letting yourself be cringy or you know,

you know when like you know a kid hits a

certain age like depending on the kid

like for me it was like probably 10 or

11 where they start going like that's

weird.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh that's weird. Why are you saying

that? and you realize that they're

they're in they're suddenly very aware,

you know, self-conscious and aware and

then thinking everything is weird and

wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in

in whatever way. I feel like letting

that go

>> is very hard and challenging and trying

not to be cool.

>> Yes.

>> Is like

so much cooler.

>> I know. But it's like you have to go

through it to get there. And

>> we've all been on both sides. We've been

the 10-year-old that's like, "Dad, don't

pick me up at the mall. Like, don't

don't come inside the mall. Please don't

embarrass me."

>> But it's like sometimes a thing that

might be embarrassing is like what

brings us the most joy of anything in

the world. Like I was I spent so many

years when I started, you know, having

this career that I wanted to like prove

the kind of artist that I was and, you

know, I wanted people to think of me in

a certain way. And I feel like at a

certain point I was just like this is

bringing me no joy at all. Like I I this

is not

>> um fulfilling to me in the slightest at

all. I mean I wonder for you like at SNL

because

>> when I hosted a few years ago

>> I was it it is so good.

>> Thank you for saying that. You actually

think that? Do you actually think so?

>> Dude. Yes. We Okay. Well, there were

people that we host and and were like,

"Oh, like they did a really nice job.

>> Good for them."

>> Like that looks like they had a LOT OF

FUN.

BUT YOU'RE GENUINELY FUNNY.

>> Thank you, God. I mean, it was so scary.

But I my question to you though, I mean,

and like I love SNL, but but the vibe

was very intense.

>> And the whole week leading up, I was

like, why is nobody laughing at all? Cuz

I was like, isn't this show about

>> laughing, but it's so serious? And I

think everyone is like wants to keep

their job at the same time. Yeah, that

show is like

>> it's some serious

>> a lot of people auditioning to keep

their job.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's like an emergency room. Like

sometimes the emergency room days are

like fun and you're like goofing around

and other days you're just like,

>> "Oh, everybody's scrambling around and

>> I mean it's as fun as an emergency

room."

>> They have fun.

Wait, but you you are a huge fan of

comedy and you've talked about this a

million times, but you have watched The

Office

>> Girl.

>> How many times for real? Cuz is it it

says 30 times.

>> It's over that now. So

>> what?

>> Well, because I don't ever stop and I

never

>> You just have it on a

>> Well, when you asked earlier, I meant to

say to your question about like humor

and grow, how did you you know, a big

part of that was The Office. I mean, I

started watching The Office when I was

like

11 or 12.

>> And that's what it's interesting about

cringe because you're I mean

>> the like Jenzie their relationship to

cringe has been really interesting to

watch. They were really afraid of it

>> then shows embraced it like their

favorite comedies embraced it and they

almost got to like experience it

vicariously through someone else. Like I

mean Michael Scott is the ultimate

cringe journey.

>> Yes. 100%.

>> He's like oh my god you're dying for

him. And then by then you're like or

he's like Buddha

>> literally or he's the most literally

like the the most tender. I mean that's

what I think is so genius about the

whole show and Michael Scott as a whole

is that he is so awful but you you he's

so undeniably

you can't help but love him and feel for

him and see yourself in him weirdly

>> and and like kind of aspire to be as

open book as him at the end of the day.

I think that the amount of times at this

point,

I mean, I said 30 probably like four

years ago. So, wow.

>> I probably rewatch the whole series like

three or four times a year.

>> Sorry.

>> It's up It's not more. Sorry.

>> So, Jenna Jenna took a little Add a

other day and added up the added up the

hours of what that is.

>> Oh god. Oh,

>> do you know that it's like 92 days

straight?

>> NO.

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LOVE PARKS? OH GOD, I LOVE PARKS AND

WRECK.

>> I really want to check it out. I'd love

for you to check it out.

>> Best shows of all time. GET THE HELL OUT

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>> THAT'S THAT'S

>> I WOULD love for you to CHECK IT OUT.

YOU IN PARKS AND WRECK IS one of the

greatest performances in history and

everybody knows it

>> and that is one of my top five shows.

So, moving on.

>> But I but but but I feel you. Well,

getting back to the office and just that

I Okay. Also, I would say that the idea

that TV shows are like a comfort and a

way to self soothe.

>> Yes.

>> Is really really I really relate. I

think a lot of people relate, especially

comedy because there's something about

the way in which there's a tiny bit of

conflict.

>> People aren't supposed to get along.

Yeah.

>> They figure it out.

>> They go on with their day. Everybody's

okay. And then if you rewatch it and

rewatch it and rewatch it, you know how

it's gonna

>> Dude,

>> yes.

>> 100%. This is This is my exper exact

experience. Exactly what you're saying.

Soothing

>> 100. It's a self soothing like knowing

the end,

>> no anxiety thing.

>> Yes.

>> It's like

>> Yeah. Cuz I have trouble watching movies

that are I have trouble watching doing

anything that's new. Watching

entertainment that is new.

>> Yes.

because

I feel like it's like an ADHD. I I just

all I do is re-watch the same movie, the

same show, eat the same meal, listen to

the same song over and over in a way

that's like like it's like a little bit

over the top.

>> It depends on how you frame it, right?

>> If someone else was there, they're like,

>> you know, but when I'm alone, obviously,

it's the most amazing thing in the

world.

>> What TV show you watch The Office over

and over? What movie do you watch over

and over? What meal do you eat over and

over?

>> Amazing questions. Um, The Office over

and over.

>> Yeah.

>> New girl over and over.

>> Oh my god.

>> Uh, movie

>> like Ferris Beer's Day Off I've seen an

unbelievable amount of times.

>> Over the hedge.

>> I have seen so many times.

>> Wait, Over the Hedge?

>> Over the Hedge. Steve Carell plays a

squirrel.

>> Oh, it's an animated movie.

>> Yeah, it's an animated movie.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> It's unbelievably amazing. I've forced

so many people to watch it. Spirit.

Unbelievable film. Have seen it so many

times. Animated. It's a horse. The horse

movie. Yes. Horse girl.

>> I am a horse girl.

>> And you prove my theory. Jennifer

Lawrence was in here. She's a horse

girl. Horse girls have beautiful hair.

>> I did see you say that.

>> And you've got great hair. You always

have. And horses. You're part horse.

>> Also, I was the year of the horse.

>> Born the year.

>> You were. And this is the year of the

horse.

>> That's true. Aren't we in the year? The

fire horse whichor the fire horse.

>> You have beautiful hair, too.

>> Uh, thank you so much. Do you like

horses?

>> I don't have beautiful hair. Thank you,

though. I don't like horses. I They

scare the out of me. I love them.

>> Have you ridden them?

>> I I reluctantly have ridden them.

>> I've I rode one recently with my son in

Iceland a couple years ago. I was like,

you know what? I'm going to ride. Yeah.

I'm going to like And I The whole time I

was like, I cannot wait to get off.

>> It hurt so bad. It hurt

>> physically. Yeah. It hurt my

>> Yeah. The who's the who's and the haw's.

It does.

>> It hurt my my inner leg, upper butt,

front butt region.

>> Front butt. Dude,

>> it hurt. Well, like anything, you get

used to that.

>> That's That's true. And then you're a

champion.

>> Um, okay. You have had the phrase

youngest used on you constantly. the

youngest to reach 100 million Spotify

streams. Youngest winner, album of the

year, record of the year, youngest

person ever to win two Academy Awards in

any category. Oh my god. Um, do you is

it kind of nice to reach your 20s and be

a little bit away from that kind of

young wonder kind like vibe?

>> Dude,

>> do you know what I mean? Is it nice?

>> I do.

I mean, you're still very young, but

you're also not.

>> Well, I guess I never like thought that

I would ever not be a teenager. Like,

>> it's not like I like I don't know. I

just was like, I'm this will be me

forever. There's no other, you know, I

remember when I was like 17, I was like,

okay, and I am the person I will be

forever right now.

>> And I and it's just not how it works,

obviously. And I am so excited to age

and I'm so excited for my face to age

and my body to age and not change it,

you know? And I want my kids to look

>> at me and have my face look like their

face and not be some botched version of

whatever the is going on out there

right now.

>> You know what I'm saying? So anyway,

>> yes. And when what's really wild about

you being like I'm when I was 17, I

thought I was a person I was.

>> We knew you at 17. We like saw you get a

cake when you were 17,

>> right?

>> In the in the dock, you know, like happy

17th birthday.

>> Oh my god. Yeah, you're right.

>> And so you not only are you figuring

yourself out, but everybody's watching

you figure it out.

>> Mhm.

>> And there's, you know, I'm I'm saying

the obvious, but we all go through

versions of ourselves privately. You had

to go through versions of yourself

publicly.

>> And you also had to whatever change you

decided to make that day affected a

bunch of people. It's not like you were

like, I'm going to cut my hair now. And

everyone's like, "We got to change the

the posters or whatever." Like like it's

it becomes a thing where you you you

like trying new versions of yourself,

>> everybody else weighs in on that or has

something. How is from minute one,

Billy, from when I saw you to now, there

was some kind of inner governor, a voice

that you would, it felt like check in

with

>> to make decisions.

>> Who is that? Where is that? Where does

that come from? Is that true? Is that

how you make decisions? Do you go to

your gut first? How do you make

decisions?

>> Wow. These are amazing questions. I

think you are absolutely

>> Oh my god.

>> eating it up right now.

>> Wow. I feel like it is a gut thing. Like

I think that weirdly

as much as it was a strain on my youth

>> becoming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15,

>> uh

I weirdly do think that I had that

element of teenage carelessness.

>> Yeah. Right. Even though I was

self-conscious and very, you know,

trying to be cool, I I I also was myself

in a way that I look back on and I'm

like so grateful that I was that way.

And and I think that weirdly I'm glad

that it happened when I was so young

because

>> and I I think that it is attributed

also, I have to say, to just the person

that I've always been since I was a

little kid. Just very strong willed and

very

>> very bossy. extremely bossy and very

needing things to go my way and also

being very honest and

>> blunt I guess.

>> And so I think when I started

>> doing interviews or you know being asked

any kind of question

>> I was just very very honest and I also I

did PR training when I was 14 and I

sobbed through it. I hated it so

much. It was literally like

the scariest of all time.

>> What made it so scary?

>> I was just like,

>> what made you so?

>> I first of all, the woman who did it to

me was like I would she know she would

ask me a question cuz this is how PR

training works.

>> Okay, I should I should know this.

>> Did you do PR training?

>> No, obviously not.

>> Well, I only did one session and it was

like under an hour and I sobbed and I

left and I did not follow any of the

rules after that. But uh basically like

she'll you know they'll tell you what

you're you should say or the kind of

direction you should go and and then

they'll ask you the question like

pretending you're in an interview and so

I would start answering the way I would

want to answer and she would like kind

of cut me off and be like no no you need

to start saying this or no you should be

saying this don't say that don't give

them that. And it was important for me

to learn and I'm glad I learned it. But

similar to

>> learning to drive safely. It's good to

know how to drive safely so that you can

use your the so that then you can This

is really a bad analogy,

>> but so then you can bend the rules

according to

>> Yeah. No, I hear

>> safety. But like, you know, you know

what is safe and good and right, but

then I'm gonna

>> go be, you know, precise about, you know

what I'm saying? I don't know. Do you

know what I mean? Absolutely. It's like

you're figuring out your own boundaries,

like figuring out within those

boundaries how to play.

>> Yes.

>> Authenticity is like major for you. It's

like it's like what you're looking for.

It's what you want to put out into the

world.

>> And like you feel it and you just kind

of can't fake it. And it's probably a

little painful when you're not being

authentic.

>> I hate it. I hate it. And I think when

things get more mainstream and then more

people who aren't your fans are looking

at you and hearing it, it's

>> it becomes like scary. I mean, I feel I

feel like sad thinking back, not even

thinking back, just thinking about how

I've definitely like like 80 75%

come down on my my

uh not honesty, but my sharing

>> of myself. I used to be literally like

99%

complete like oversharing with the

entire world which I loved cuz I also I

am a fan and I've always been a fan like

my my I'm a horse girl and I am a fan

girl and I always have been and these

are like

>> and you were a believer and you let

everyone into that like tender place

like

>> but I did it specifically because I knew

that as a fan I wanted my favorite

artists to do that. I wanted realness

and honesty.

>> You do that. You make people feel that

way. I mean, your lyrics make people

feel

>> so seen, Billy. Like so like there's a

reason why Okay, I'm going to praise and

praise you again. Like there like when

when we're when I go to your show, I

went to your show and like and like

everyone's singing, you know? um

uh you know um you make me hate this

city like you know and everybody's like

those like those let's take that song

let's take let's take that song

>> okay hold on I'm going to sing the

entire song to you let's go

okay but that moment oh my god this is

not okay I have to break some news this

is not my laptop I forgot my laptop

today this is Sam's laptop And I'm

completely stressed out. Okay. And for

those people watching, this laptop is

bigger than my usual laptop. And they

probably already noticed that. And don't

write in no comments about laptop. Okay.

I'm so old. I got to read this. Okay.

Okay. But when you said,

okay, but when you were like when you

say cuz I'd never treat me this shitty.

YOU MADE ME HATE THIS CITY. I DON'T TALK

ABOUT you on the internet. WHEN

YOU'RE SINGING IT, when you're singing

it and I'm singing it,

>> you're making you're you're being like

you're speaking plainly, I guess, is the

way to say it. You're not hiding behind

some like

>> objects or metaphors.

>> And that authenticity, it's like it's

like a direct hit between the audience

and you like your lyrics are so

great. I guess my question is I guess I

have to give you a question. How do you

write lyrics? Oh gosh, THAT'S A TERRIBLE

QUESTION. FORGET IT. Let's sing more.

Okay,

cuz that shit's embarrassing. I mean,

that shit's embarrassing.

>> It is,

>> It is.

>> It really is.

>> That shit's embarrassing. You are my

everything. Like,

>> it's so real. Everybody felt that, feels

that. Thank you

>> with with your lyrics. But I am

genuinely curious like do you write a

lyric and then you go that's too

I I feel the way about dialogue

sometimes I'll write something and be

like nobody talks like that

>> right right

>> like nobody's going to say that I mean

dialogue to me is really impressive to

write like I don't understand how you do

that that to me I can't like fathom

writing a script at all like I don't

Yeah I don't know why I think I just I

have a similar feeling to like how

people talk to me who, you know, have

never made music or are musical at all

where they're like, "How do you possibly

do that?" Like, I can't begin to fathom

how to write dialogue.

>> Right. So, but I've watched you write

lyrics and you've let us watch you write

it and it feels like you're doing a

similar thing, which is like it's like

you try on a lyric and you're like, "Is

that real?"

>> Like you're you're you're asking

yourself, "Is that a real thing?" Even

though it's not always about a real

thing. It's just like, does that lyric

feel right in my head? Like

>> singing it out loud.

>> Well, so my answer to this is

interesting because I don't like writing

music.

>> I've heard you say this many times and I

have I have I have um grown to like it

so much more over the years and honestly

like growing up and becoming an adult

and not worrying about being cool. Yeah.

>> Literally anything. And I think like

>> it's so hard when you want to be good at

something and especially when you have

the pressure of people seeing it and

you're like, well, I it has to be good.

So, I can't even I can't let this be bad

for even one second. It'll stop you from

doing it at all. And so I like my love

is singing. Singing is like

>> my true true

>> soulmate. Like singing is the thing that

I love more than anything in the world.

And

>> um having songs that I have written to

sing is the goal. Like that's what I

love about writing music. And also when

I am cuz I write everything with my

brother and I write alone every now and

then but it doesn't bring me joy when I

write it alone. And also I'm too

critical and I'm like

>> it it's just frustrating for me. And

when I work with my brother, like I was

saying to somebody, you know, cuz

somebody said like, "Are you making an

album right now because you want to make

a new album or because you're required

in your contract to?"

>> And I was like,

>> I've never thought about that once.

>> Yeah.

>> And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that

way because I don't care if it's because

I have to. It's actually like any excuse

to hang out with my brother, I'll take.

>> Come on.

>> And we get to make music that we both

love. And I think that what's

interesting about not loving the process

of writing music is

>> I love the outcome so much.

>> I love my music more than any other

music. And I I think that that I think

that people hear that and think like

what the heck like you're listening to

your own music and it's like well yeah

that's why I make it. I It's like it's

like similar to like I make my own

perfume because I really like the smell

of it and I want to wear it,

>> you know? So I make music to listen to

it, to enjoy it, and to sing it. It's my

favorite thing in the world.

>> You're so good at singing.

>> It's so good that you like the thing

that you're so good at.

>> Thank god.

>> No kidding.

I like to ask singers this. We had

Haley.

>> Um, whenever we're friends, we text.

Whenever we're friends, we text. Um, not

a big deal.

>> That's how I feel about her, too.

>> Very cool. Um, and totally not don't

make a big deal out of it. Um um

but I asked her this and I like to ask

what like your first relationship to

your voice like

>> when you were like I like my voice.

>> Do you remember? You must have been a

tiny one because you were singing at a

very young age and you were encouraged

to sing a lot. But that thing when you

sing and you think like whatever's

coming out is like

>> is kind of good.

>> Yeah. Is good.

>> Whoa.

>> Do you remember a a feeling of that? Um,

well, it's so interesting because I have

been singing for my entire life. Like I

don't there was never a beginning. It

was just I was singing and singing and

singing and I grew up in a very musical

household.

>> Piano always being played, guitar being

played.

>> You know, my mom was a songwriter and

you know,

>> Phineas started writing songs before I

did. He was older than me and so there

was always music around and so I was

very encouraged to sing.

I think,

you know, I was homeschooled, but in the

homeschool community,

uh, there's like, you know, DIY talent

shows type stuff. There's like

homeschool talent shows,

>> and it was the only thing I looked for.

I I literally all I wanted to do was be

on a stage singing or dancing.

>> It was like a little baby Coachella that

you were getting ready for.

>> Yeah. And the first song I sang was

Tomorrow from Annie, of course. And I

think I was like

eight or wait no six. I think I was six.

And that right I don't know. I have a

hard time with numbers ages. But um that

I remember like I don't even think I did

but I loved it so much and the feeling

of the crowd cheering was just the

greatest thing. But I think my

relationship to my voice,

like I

this is gonna sound weird and I hope it

doesn't sound like pick me cuz I really

mean it.

>> No more cringe. It's over. No more pick

me.

>> No more cringe. No more. Yeah, you're

right. But I never like I didn't think

of myself as a singer. I just loved to

sing. M

>> and then I remember like when I was

about 11 like Phineas would, you know,

be with his friends and sometimes be

like, "Well, my sis, my little sister

has a really good voice." And I'd be

like, "What?" And then he'd be like,

"Billy, sing the beginning of Baby by

Justin Bieber." And I would like be like

I would be like, "Whoa, whoa." And his

friends would be like,

>> you know, "Whoa, like she's pretty

good."

>> Yeah. And I remember like doing it once

and like messing it up and I was like,

I was so upset cuz really I wanted to be

a dancer. That was like my thing.

>> I know. And that and that's

>> and they would like make me sing at like

the dance sleepover. Like they'd be

like, "Billy, go up and sing." And I was

too embarrassed. But then I wouldn't.

>> That I mean that's like the You're like

the athlete that like played basketball

and then like was like I think I also

like baseball and you're like win the

World Series. Like you were such a good

dancer.

>> I was barely a good dancer. I was like

loved dancing so much.

>> What was your thing? B. Were you ballet?

I started dancing cuz I loved tap

dancing.

>> Oh, come on, Billy.

>> So, I was a tapper.

>> What?

>> Yeah, I was a tapper. And then once I

started getting into tap, I was like,

"Oo, I like this."

>> Cute.

>> And then I started doing hip-hop and I

loved hip-hop. And then I would do

contemporary. So, those are my top

three. And then

>> because I fell in love with dance, I was

like, "Well, now I have to do ballet to

be part of the other stuff cuz it was

required." and then jazz and then

lyrical. And

>> have you ever had a like a thing of like

maybe I'll dance when I sing?

>> Right when I started getting good, I got

a horrible injury and then I was not

allowed to dance and I never danced ever

again.

>> Except I started dancing recently again.

I'm in like a I'm in like a class every

now and then. That's cool.

>> Which is really cute.

>> That's very cool. What did you injure if

you

>> I injured my hip, but basically that

took me out. Wa, that's so intense and

so interesting like how life like so

that opens the door to the thing that

you love doing anyway,

>> right? Well, dude, what's crazy about

the timing of it is that

>> I started getting really serious with

dance when I was

12, no, 13. And I like I dyed my hair

platinum white that year. And then

Phineas was like, "Dude, should we make

a Soundcloud page for fun and like maybe

make some songs and put them out for

fun, like for our friends to play or

whatever." And so at the same time as I

was getting really serious about dance,

we had this idea. We recorded like some

little stupid songs. And then my one of

my dance teachers, Fred Diaz, said,

>> and I've told this story before, but

literally like the older I get, the more

insane it is.

>> He he was like, "Billy, stay behind

after class." one day and he was like,

"Can you and Phineas make a song so that

I can choreograph a dance to it and we

can do it for the recital next year?"

And I was so excited and I thought, you

know what, Phineas just wrote a song

that I think is called Ocean Eyes. Maybe

it could be that one. I go home, I'm

like, Phineas, Fred wants us to make a

song. Let's make it as like dable as

possible. We went home, we recorded

Ocean Eyes, which he had written for his

band, and he said it didn't feel right,

and he wanted me to sing it anyway. So,

we were already kind of gonna do that.

Anyway, we went to put it on SoundCloud.

It had a free download link up. Anyone

could download it for free.

>> Wow.

>> And um we only put it on Soundcloud to

send an easier link to the dance

teacher. And so, we did. And then like

that week, I was getting ready for

competition. And then a week later,

Phiney's called me and he was like,

"Billy, Ocean Ice has a thousand

streams." A thousand. And we were

cheering and we were screaming and I was

like, "This is the most amazing thing

that's ever happened to me. This is all

I could ever dream of." Couple weeks go

by. It starts getting bigger and bigger.

Like Fred starts choreographing a dance

to it. Competition is the next week.

Things are getting bigger. It's like

Hilly Dilly is posting it and like, you

know, new music Friday or whatever. and

like all these new

>> these new outlets and we were getting

reached out to by these labels and stuff

and then it's the last rehearsal before

my first dance competition of the

season. I have a solo in each combo. I

was so excited.

>> We were done with rehearsal. We were

about to leave and our teacher was like,

"Wait, let's do one more just to film

it." And so we did one more and we

filmed it and in the middle of my little

twerk, literally 12 years old, I'm like

my hip is like and I got injured and

then I was poof

laying on the floor, couldn't walk,

couldn't dance, definitely couldn't do

anything and was basically like

bedridden for at least a week and then I

was on crutches and I literally never

danced again.

>> You missed the whole competition.

>> Missed every single competition. And I

didn't get to do one. Billy, I have

chills right now

>> because but then that week I went to all

these meetings in my crutches. I met

with Innercope. I met with all these

different booking agents. I had my

crutches. I was like, and I was so sad.

I was like, I can't believe I miss a

competition.

>> OH MY GOD. I mean, there's people

listening to this right now who are

going to be like having just missed

something that they think is the biggest

thing in their life.

>> It's pretty wild. They're going to be

like,

>> I have chills, too.

>> I That's so That is wild. I have in my

own story. The universe decided in that

like sliding doors moment of like we're

gonna we're gonna stop. We're going to

interrupt this program and there's no

deeper like sadness than thinking I I'm

not going to get to do the thing that's

right in front of me that I'm supposed

to do

>> and then like this little hey over here

kind of thing happening.

>> Whoa. when you think something is

ruining your life and it's really

actually

saving your life.

>> Yes.

And I like that you're dancing again

because there must be a little bit of

trauma honestly around all of it. So

like you're just you're coming back as

an adult going back and being like,

"Okay, maybe I can do this again as like

a a version that feels good to me like

where I can revisit it."

>> Yeah. It's been really nice and it's so

non pressure, you know? It's just it's

>> Well, we do need you to compete

>> because we need you to do that. We need

you to finish that routine.

>> Okay. Yeah, you're right.

>> I mean, that would be the movie is like

you go back out there to the competition

>> to encore in Las Vegas with all the

other teenagers. And I mean, I know we

all like all of our stuff comes from our

family, but it is. All of our stuff

comes from our family. And I imagine in

that moment,

>> I'm like really feeling for your mom in

that moment, right? Like she's got the

saddest kid.

>> Mhm.

>> And both your parents.

>> God. Yeah. like the saddest Billy who's

missed this

>> brokenhearted little

>> and and in pain

>> and then also your brother being like

hey let's do this sister

>> and then it catching on and watching

your family dynamic and again I don't

know but having the the privilege of

getting to see you interact with each

other I feel like the the way in which

you all kind of support those moments

like the big moments and the low moments

like that's very special.

>> I know.

>> Very special.

>> It's really special. And I feel so in

hindsight and present day

>> so so grateful for that cuz I think I

didn't I didn't even realize what I had

because

>> I already had it and so I didn't know

there could be another option. And I

think

sometime

it really I just really feel for them

and I feel like thank God I had my mom.

Thank god I had my brother especially.

Thank god I had my dad and

>> the home that we that I grew up in, you

know, and like my dog, you know, like

these are all things that really

>> I like that you bring up your dog a lot.

I love dogs.

>> Do you still have your dog? Like I said,

>> she passed away a couple years ago, but

she was old as all hell. She was

so old. God damn it. Her her legs were

It was like this kind of situation.

>> What's What was her name? And tell us

about your

>> Her name was Pepper and she lived to

like 16. She was old as I'm

telling you.

>> Um she was a mut. She looked just like

Petey from the Little Rascals, which I

loved. I loved the Little Rascals as a

kid. She had like a She was a pitbull

mix and she had like a circle around her

eye. If I didn't have, you know, a dog

with reactive issues, I would literally

have 17 dogs. Like, I have a dog. He's

the sweetest boy in the whole wide

world. His name is Shark. He's the

sweetest boy. He loves people. He loves

his dog friends. He just has he has a

lot of reactive issues. Yeah.

>> And he has since I mean, I had him since

he was 5 weeks old. So, it's

interesting. Like, I always thought, you

know, a dog is the way they are because

of how they were raised. And to an

extent that is true,

>> but they're like people also and we are

the way we are no matter what anybody

does.

>> And he just has like

>> he's just really anxious. He's very very

anxious and when he sees a dog that he

doesn't know, he he sees it as a threat

or something. But you know, if I

introduce him in the right way to other

dogs, then it's all perfect.

>> But of course, like of course you would

be a person that would be able to handle

something like that and understand that.

>> Oh my god. Yeah. But I think the

difference is like he he's a big gray

pitbull mix. Yeah. And so the difference

in having a reactive, bigger, stronger,

more marginalized breed when they have

anxiety and reactive behavioral issues

is there's so much more of a uh stigma

against them. And people like the the

stigma against the bully breed and

everything

is so messed up. It's like, you know,

someone can have like a little tiny

chihuahua. I love Chihuahua. I love all

dogs, but like someone might have like a

little dog who's like literally biting

everyone and like and it's like

>> and it just kills me. Like my my

reactive dog owners out there,

>> you are seen. You are loved. It's a lot

of work, but I have like also also, you

know, I think it's like I have such a

love for animals. It makes sense to me

that you're an empathetic, creative,

openhearted person living in a family

that tries to be that way, too, that

you're trying to pay attention to that,

too. Also, if I may, and I'm sure you

get this projected on you a lot, but the

specialness of your relationship with

you and Phineas, like it's it's like

it's really delicious because it's kind

of like every it's like watching a

healthy It's like watching healthy

siblings

>> and watching

a a like just a man support a woman like

that. Just even that like

>> forget them being related. just like a

very very talented self-possessed

>> I know

>> um uh selfactualized man being very

happy for

>> a woman's success

>> is already just like we're all like

really hungry for it

>> I know

>> like and just like speaking nicely about

women we're all just like looking for

>> and then the way that you guys speak

about each other

>> yeah it's truly a magical gift that I've

been given by who knows

>> what you know my parents like But you

guys work a little differently.

>> Mhm.

>> Is that hard when you're working

differently? Do you argue?

>> We argue, but we but it's very um

>> it's not like real argue. It's not I

like don't know how to put it. I think

we go through periods of

you know being not on the same

wavelength. Like we're in different

periods of our lives and that's when we

can kind of

>> butt heads a little bit. But even then,

I mean, like we got into like a nothing,

like something that was so didn't need

to be an argument.

And like literally, we sat there and I

said, "Can we go make music now?" And

he's like, "Yeah." And we went

downstairs and we made a song and it was

we were laughing and giggling and

talking. And I was just thinking that

day. I was like, "It is truly amazing

that we can do that." And it's amazing

that you know and I know all siblings

have different relationships and that's

a rare thing to have with a person

especially like a sibling and you work

with them but it is kind of the blessing

of working with your sibling because

>> you can't

>> you can't break up with your sibling.

It's not like

>> yes this is true but I guess I mean like

>> the arguing it's like you can say

something so hurtful.

>> Yes.

>> Especially like a little sister. I can

say something insane to Phineas.

>> You You have.

>> And I I sure have.

>> And And also it's like sometimes I bet

the challenge is to make sure you're not

you're like not too rough on each other.

>> Yep. For sure.

>> Because the more familiar you are, the

more

thinking of that amazing scene in your

dock where in the kitchen where is like,

I think we should just finish the

record. And you're like, the record is

bad.

>> This sucks. And your mom is like or

>> I think you can learn from each other.

you know, like perfect mom, like I think

Vineas has something that you need,

>> Billy. Bless her heart. And your dad is

like, I'm going to go outside and fix

the car. And you're all representing the

voices in like a creative process.

Basically, you're all representing that.

You're and you're all those things at

once.

>> And you would probably not say to

someone you were working with like,

"That was bad. That sucks.

>> It's not good. It's lame."

>> Yeah. Or like anything that I say to

him, it's like we can we can literally

jump all of the like

>> Yes. um uh politeness, you know, we

don't have to be like saving feelings

and you know, I can literally just be

like, "God, that's stupid." You know,

that's such a stupid idea. And he's

like, "Well, you." You know, it's

like

>> it's it's it just works like that. And

uh I feel like I'm also just,

you know, in another life,

the life that we didn't have this happen

to us,

>> I would have maybe gone to college and

moved away or moved away in general. And

what would you know I I I talk to

friends or see online like people

talking about how like they don't live

with their sibling anymore and they

don't get to see their sibling and it's

like you live completely different lives

and I just feel like

>> so grateful that I get to live a life

where my brother is a constant part of

my life

>> and that I don't have to live in a

different state than my brother and that

I don't have to like never see him and

not

you know, and I think that's usually how

it goes. And I just I feel really lucky

in that way. And like you said,

>> his

he is like just aside from how talented

and incredible he is and how he's like

my best friend,

he's

loves me so much.

>> I know.

>> And the he's just the greatest brother

in the world. And the way that he has

looked out for me, he's a big time

protector. So, he wanted me to ask you a

question.

>> He did?

>> Yeah. And I feel like it's a it's a it's

a fake I feel like it's a funny story.

>> It's a fake question. Okay. Um, what is

tomato bisque soup

>> and how did you lose it?

>> Wow.

>> Okay. Wow.

>> Let's hear it. Well, you know. All

right. I'll tell you. I'll tell you

exactly the answer. I

Okay. How far do I go? Well,

I actually haven't talked about this. I

was thinking literally last night how I

haven't Nobody knows this is happening.

>> It's very very sweet. It's It's an

innocent thing.

>> For my birthday, I was given

>> a little hamster.

And she was a rescue from a house, a

hoarder house that had 60

>> loose free roaming hamsters everywhere

being just in and like in stuff.

And she was rescued.

>> Won the lottery

>> and she is so cute.

>> She her name is tomato bisque soup

>> and

the story is taking a turn.

So, Tomato, as we call her, she's a

little dwarf hamster. She's literally

this big. She is so goddamn

cute. You wouldn't even believe it.

>> But she's used to being on the street.

She's used to running around.

>> She's used to being on the street

>> She's free.

>> She's wild. Not wild, but like living

her life

>> in her condition of tough.

>> Yeah. Sorry, I I got her on my birthday,

which was December 18th, and I got her

like I must have spent, you know, lots

of money on like random like little

like like I got her like little cuz they

have to have enrichment. So, they have a

wheel and they have to have different

levels. So, like and I do it all myself.

I'll show you. I will literally show

you. Her house is insane. She lives in a

mansion, Her house is so

big. It's like literally like her house

is like this big and this tall

>> and it's wooden. But so there's these

little vents in the top corners of the

house that are like this big. They're

holes so they can breathe.

>> Even I know that hamsters can get

through those holes.

>> It was a hamster house

for a hamster.

>> You're right. You'd think that they

would know that.

>> Well, and also it's up high, right? So

they can't even they can't climb up the

wall that

No, but we haven't met Tomato.

>> So, Tomato's wild little freaky self.

So, it's like a month since I've had

her.

>> I get home from a trip. I went on a

little trip

>> and I had I had put her seeds out and

they're also nocturnal, so you usually

don't see them in the day.

>> Um, and also they like to burrow, so

like sometimes I wouldn't see her. She's

like barely you can't really you're not

always seeing her when she is there.

>> But she loves pumpkin seeds so much.

Like little papitas. She loves them so

much. And so I know that she's very

happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she

immediately comes out. So before I had

left, I put out some pumpkin seeds. And

then I came home many days later and the

pumpkin seeds were still there. God damn

it.

>> Damn it.

>> And I thought, you know what? And you

pulled back a little cover and she had

made a little dummy like like welcome to

Alcatraz.

>> She

had escaped day off. It was like an old

fake body poster and she pulled it into

the side and she made a little tunnel.

>> I am I pictured I just thought like, oh,

she's she's dug herself into a cute

little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days

have gone by since the last sight of

her. So anyway, one day Oh no.

>> Um I'm like, you know what? I'm going to

look for her because I want to make sure

she's there. Obviously, she's there, but

I'm just going to make sure.

>> So I go.

where I keep her house is in my closet

on this like shelf that's like five feet

up. And I I I take all of her houses out

of her house. I take all of there's

these things called sprays which are

these like long plants that for

enrichment and I take them all out and

um I sign of

>> there's no sign of her and I'm like uhoh

what's going on? But I'm like okay but I

still have to like dig through the

bedding cuz she likes to crawl into the

paper bedding. Um, and I'm like starting

to like worry a little, but then I'm

like, am I going to find a little

>> a little body? And that was really

freaking me out.

>> But I'm like, I'm not. It's fine. She's

going to be in here. She's sleeping.

Whatever.

>> And so I take everything out. It's only

her bedding left over. And I'm literally

like, it's like looking through a lake

for a dead body. I was like literally

like doing like one of these like

fingers through everything. I take

everything out and she's nowhere to be

seen.

>> Gone. The has literally vanished

into thin air and your VCR was missing.

No, I'm just kidding. No, I'm just

kidding. Right. The night that she was

gone, I'm like texting all my friends

like, "She's gone. RIP. Love her so

much. What the hell?" One month of

having a hamster and I already lost her

into the walls. Like, what the hell?

>> And uh she could have gone anywhere.

Like truly anywhere. And I'm like, just

as a Hail Mary, there's no way this is

going to work.

But I'm going to put her wheel on the

ground and I'm going to put her favorite

seeds on the wheel and I'm going to put

her little mushroom house on the ground

and I'm going to put her bedding in it

and I'm going to put her seeds in it and

like maybe a miracle will happen and

she'll appear. She'll reappear. Of

course, I don't think this is actually

going to happen. I go to sleep. Oh my

god.

>> I'm like looking at videos of her

and we wake up. We're talking about like

>> this is so sad. How did we do this? How

could we do this to her? We failed her.

We are horrible people. We lay in bed

for an hour talking about I can't

believe we've done this.

>> And I'm like I'm going to go get

dressed. Also like let's go check on the

sad little seeds we left out.

>> Right.

>> I go into my closet. The seeds

are gone.

>> Gone.

>> Dang.

>> And her bedding has been pulled out of

her house that she And that's I know

that that's like a thing she does. She

pulls out her bedding. Her seeds are

gone. And I'm like, "Dude, her seeds are

gone. Is she here?" And I take

some more seeds and I go, "Tmato." And I

have a voice that she always comes out

to. I go, "Tmato, excuse me.

Excuse me, tomato."

And I hear no

in the wall. It has been four

days that she has been missing. I hear

this and I take the seeds and I like lay

them all and I literally keep hearing

like

she crawls out of the wall. I

have literally chills. She crawls out of

the wall and crawls right into my hand.

>> And she's eating Miss and she's like,

"What up?" Like she's LIKE, "WHAT UP,

BITCH?" HEY, SHE'S WEARING A little

sombrero. been living in the walls of

the closet for 4 days with no food and

no water, waiting for me to look

for her and find her.

>> Can you believe the story?

>> She's incredible.

>> She's amazing. So, since then, I have

gotten her a much bigger house with very

thin.

>> I don't think she has been I don't think

she needs to be um congratulated for

escaping.

>> Like, this is this is like supporting

bad behavior.

>> Yeah, I know. You're right. You're

right.

>> She gets a bigger house. She got a

bigger house. I felt bad. I felt like,

"Oh no, did you not like living in a

small house?" Now she's so happy. She

literally like her life is amazing.

Really quick and then I'll show up this

forever. Look at her house. Her house is

insane. Wait, I just cleaned it up

yesterday.

>> That's my worst nightmare is that a I

get a rodent and it goes into the walls.

So, okay, here is Tomato's giant mansion

house.

So like if you look here's so she has

different levels. She has her little

tunnel where she

>> has a lot going on. Listeners, it's like

there's a there's like it looks like a

aquarium but with like outdoor seating.

>> Oh, there's almost like a fire pit like

if she had guests over.

>> Yeah,

>> cuz I give her different bedding so that

she has different textures.

>> It's really nice. Really nice textures.

>> Yeah.

>> And then

>> it looks like a beautiful LA spa. I

mean, it is. Here's her on her wheel.

>> Wait. Oh, she's really cute.

>> She's so freaking cute. And then here's

me show I bonked my knee.

>> You can actually hear it happening.

>> She's running really fast. Look at how

nice THIS

And then here's the This is what

happened to my knee.

>> So there is Phineas's answer. That's

Phineas's question. I'm glad he asked.

There we go.

>> Incredible story.

>> And scene.

>> And scene. Okay, we're going to finish

with a lightning round.

>> Finish.

>> Wait, but by there's so much TO TALK

ABOUT.

>> THERE'S SO much

to do lightning round. Okay, go. Here we

go.

>> Just quick thoughts on these things.

Tarantulas.

>> Yes. Yes. Are you afraid of spiders?

>> I mean, I'm not afraid, but you know,

>> but it's a spider.

>> It's okay. You know, I'm I'm down, but I

don't want to touch it or anything. But

I'm glad you like it. Uh-huh. Um, horses

we talked about.

>> Mhm.

>> Love Survivor. The show Survivor.

>> Yes. The show Survivor.

>> I I They have my own Billy show.

>> Just They named the Immunity idol after

you. It's a Billy Eyish idol. So,

basically like I wrote a letter to the

contestants

being like, "Here's your secret idol. If

you use this idol, you can, you know,

it's like one, you know, have you seen

Survivor? You know, they have

>> What do you love about Survivor?

>> Um, I love imagining that I could one

day do it.

>> Yeah.

>> But I am so bad with like like the math

part of the problems are the things that

I couldn't do.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I could do the I feel that I could

do the physical stuff. I mean I say that

which

>> sure who knows cuz it's so hard seeming

but like when they have to like solve

the you know

>> I wouldn't be good at like when people

like I have a little bit of like

defiance disorder so if they were like

you have to do two I'd be like I don't

have to do anything.

>> I quit. I quit.

>> Yeah I have the same feeling. Yeah I

have the same thing.

>> Um okay music you're listening to right

now?

>> Honestly I've been listening to Kate

Bush this week. It's me.

>> Yeah, dude. Well, that just is I just

love the spooky whimsical of it all.

>> Isn't she incredible?

>> She's amazing. I like didn't even know

she was so amazing. I mean, Army

Dreamers is so good.

>> So good.

>> Wthering Heights. Oh my god.

>> Have you heard the Peter Gabriel um uh

the song she sang with Peter Gabriel?

Don't Give Up.

>> No. How How does it go?

>> Hold on. I'm sure you've heard it. Don't

give up. You're not.

>> Do you think they were

>> I hope so.

>> God, I hope so.

>> I just feel like this shoot where

they're in a hug the entire song.

>> God, I hope so. That's amazing. It

>> uh isn't it so good?

>> Wow. Yeah. I don't I'm not I don't did

not know Kate Bush was like that.

>> Yeah.

>> Amazing.

>> Um Okay, we're going to finish with two

things. You have a big movie coming out

and it is

>> I forgot it's a

>> concert it's it's a movie about your

It's a It's a concert movie.

>> Yes. So it's a it's a concert film

mainly. There's like some behind the

scenes dock type stuff, but specifically

it is

>> very cool.

>> The show the Hit Me hard and soft tour

filmed in 3D which is awesome.

>> Awesome. And really really cool. Thank

you. It's I agree. I loved it so much. I

just I I a I had the best time and b

>> it's like the best show I've ever made

and I just I felt I I felt proud to call

that my show every single night that I

did it. And I

>> I mourn the end of that tour and I'm

excited for the next tour, but I am also

like so so grateful that we have it

filmed forever. like I will be able to

watch it it whenever I want forever in

3D feel like I'm there and same goes for

everyone who watches it, you know,

people who didn't get to go to the show

and they get to experience it or who did

and want to reexperience it anyway.

>> Very exciting.

>> And what I love about that is I like I

like to watch things in my home early in

the afternoon or like I don't like to

like shows are too late. I don't like to

go out.

>> Oh, I see what you're saying.

>> Shows are late. Shows are super late and

they start and then you stand for so

long.

>> Yeah. And I like

>> I hate standing.

>> I hate I can't see anything.

>> I hate I just hate standing. I hate the

feeling of it.

>> I love to sit.

>> Would you ever consider doing an

afternoon show

>> for people who like to show?

>> It's so funny. I've like never even It's

just such a the thing you do. I never

even thought about it. That's what's

great about like music festivals.

Honestly, that's like kind of what I

miss about being on the earlier side of

the the lineup because you get to get

you get to go out there and the sun is

out

>> and like it's beautiful and then you get

a night after. It's pretty nice.

>> Yeah,

>> maybe I'll do that someday. A little

matinea.

>> Oh my god, a matinea tour.

>> What's your bedtime?

>> Well, last night I had a fantastic

sleep. Not to brag, but um What did you

get? What What's your sleep? I'm very

worried about your sleep.

>> Why?

>> You're a young person.

>> It's true. you. I used to be terrible

with sleep. I I never slept. Um for some

reason since last summer when I was in

Europe for tour, like I had three

different tour legs where I was gone and

then home and then gone in Europe each

time.

>> Um but so because of that, I was like

really getting becoming an early

bedtime. And so since then, I've kind of

kind of kept that up. Like I try to go

to sleep before midnight every night,

which used to be

>> love this for you. couldn't. I used to

go to sleep like earliest 2 a.m.,

usually 3, maybe 4. And now I'm like, if

I can get in bed at like 10.

>> Oh, I mean,

>> can you believe that I can do that? It's

amazing. And and also sometimes like the

like happiness is just one sleep away.

>> 100%.

>> Like it just really is. Sometimes like

the thing the reason why my day is so

bad,

>> it's because I don't I haven't slept.

>> 100%. I love it. Honestly, like when I

got this Aura ring, and this is not

sponsored. I just I love this Aura Ring,

dude. And uh since I got it, I've been

like I I really don't play about my

sleep now. I really need my sleep.

>> Let me as we finish up cuz I know we've

kept you, but

>> girl, I don't have anything else to do.

>> Same.

>> Wait, I was just going to say,

>> okay, we got to wrap this up.

>> Oh, I Oh, I'm I feel like when I'm at a

concert and people are talking really

loud, I will turn around and say,

"Please shut up."

>> Yeah.

>> Please shut the up. Or just like be

quiet, you know, like that that I I will

do

>> 100%.

>> Yeah. Or a movie.

>> A

>> not so much.

>> I be talking. I know.

>> Billy, I have to comment. I just

>> That is your Jen. You guys chat through

everything. I watch you. This has done

to me so much so many times. have has

someone who I love dearly gone,

>> right?

>> Because I can't shut the up.

>> Mhm.

>> Um, also like I'm a reactor. Like I will

re I react audibly. Let me remind people

like I I realize as I'm talking to you

about this that like you have

Tourette's.

>> Well, I was just going to say that. I

was just going to say that I do have

Tourette's and you know I have vocal

ticks but luckily for me and for

everyone else I um they're mostly just

noises and I can keep them pretty quiet.

>> Yeah.

>> Um I I go through phases of words

becoming ticks but you know there's a

thing called suppressing if you ever

heard of it. And you know when I'm in an

interview I I'm doing everything in my

power to suppress all of my ticks

constantly. And as soon as I leave the

room, I have to let them all know. You

have a lot. Honestly, I'm realizing now

as I'm talking to you and getting to

know you, meeting you.

>> You have helped me a lot with my own

intrusive thoughts, which I didn't

really know. You know, I didn't have

that term growing up. I didn't quite

know what it was,

>> right? and your you having them in real

time or talking about them or even just

like softly joking about them like the

getting all the way full circle back to

the idea of what we talked at the very

beginning which is like

>> coping mechanism and you're self

soothing all that stuff and the way that

you like like that you feel like comedy

is important for life like we are living

to laugh

>> it felt that way when I would have a

thought that I just thought like this is

a really bad thought.

>> Yep.

>> This is a really bad end. This is this

one I'm going to really never ever ever

share, right? Like, ooh, this is

>> and it and it took me so long in my

adult life to realize those were

intrusive thoughts of what they were.

>> And you really really helped me with

that. Like, yeah, I thank you for that.

You really did. You were an example.

>> I just I know it so well. God, now

imagine those intrusive thoughts, but

your mouth has to say them out loud,

>> right?

>> And that is Tourett syndrome, right? And

I think what's troubling about the way

that people do not understand what

Tourette's is, like when people are

like,

>> you know, if I like start having like a

tick attack or whatever, like a lot of

ticks in a row and people are like, "Are

you okay?"

>> You know, it's like

>> this is very much normal, like, you

know, and also like, "Well, I didn't

notice." It's like if you didn't see me

tick today, you're not looking at my

knees which are ticking constantly under

this table and my, you know, elbows that

are like I'm clenching my arms the

entire time and I'm I'm doing this for

the entire and it's because I'm

currently because I'm on camera

>> and I'm having a conversation and I'm

trying not to be distracting. I am

really doing this whole time as fun as

I'm having much fun as I'm having. I'm

doing everything I can to suppress every

single tick that's visible from the top

of my head to about right here,

>> you know, and that's like how we as

people with Tourette's pretty much spend

our days. And some people don't even

have the privilege of getting to

suppress them at all in any way. And the

>> the not understanding of that is really

frustrating as a person with Tourette's.

>> I bet. Thank you for Thank you for

educating me and us for real. Um because

it is it's like just yet another example

of what you do so generously.

>> Yeah.

>> You're really you're a really generous

person, Billy. You you really like

>> share Thank you. You share what you

know, what you what you're feeling or

what you're going through. You share it

with us. Like we're very lucky that we

get to hear things from you and hear and

I'm really happy you did this. I'm such

a fan of yours and I am so beyond

excited to be in this room with you and

do this podcast. I love you so much.

Thank you for having me.

>> Um, don't be weird, but I need to get

your cell phone number.

>> Let's go.

>> Thank you, Billy, for coming.

>> Oh my god.

>> Love you.

>> I love you so much. Thank you very much

for being here.

>> Thank you. GOOD.

>> Thank you, Billy Isish. What an amazing

person and what a great conversation.

love talking to you and for this polar

plunge. Look, it took everything I had

not to sing Billy's songs back to her. I

know that can make things awkward, but I

just want to remind everybody of the

perfect lyrics that are in Billy's

songs, specifically Happier Than Ever,

okay? Because I just want to remind

Okay,

I don't relate to you. I don't relate to

you. No, cuz I'd never treat me this

shitty. You made me hate this city. And

I don't talk about you on the

internet. Never told anyone anything bad

cuz that shit's embarrassing. You're my

everything. And all that you did was

make me sad. So don't waste the

time I don't have. And don't try to make

me feel bad,

okay?

Okay, this is the end of the We got to

go.

Genius.

Thanks for listening everybody. Billy,

you're a genius. Okay, bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and

me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by

The Ringer and Paperkite. For The

Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Cat

Spelain, Kaia McMullen, and Aia Xanerys.

for Paperkite production by Sam Green,

Joel Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss Berman.

Original music by Amy Miles.

>> Was a really good Hey