Tom Holland on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. I am very excited.

We have a movie star with us today. We

have a superstar and that is Tom

Holland. Tom Holland who is in two of

the biggest movies to come out this

summer. The Odyssey and Spider-Man:

Brand New Day. I think they're coming

out in the same month. He's a legend.

He's the best. And we talk about so many

great things. We talk about your dad

roasting your friends. We talk about um

the joy of dancing. We talk about doing

American accents. And I tell him that I

believe that he is the type of man that

will save us from toxic masculinity. So

he he takes on uh that responsibility

like a good man does. So um cannot wait

to get started. But before we do, um we

always talk to somebody who knows our

guests and we speak to Jacob Batalone

today. Jacob, who plays Ned in

Spider-Man, is Tom's really good friend

in real life. I mean, they grew up

together on set, you guys. So, um, let's

get Jacob on the line here. And I'm

going to get my headphones

and we'll check in. Jacob, are you

there?

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What do you say?

I wanted

>> Hey,

>> Jacob.

>> Hey. Hey, what's going on?

>> Mahalo.

>> Oh my god. Hey. Hi.

>> What's going on? I'm so sorry. My dog is

like not leaving me alone.

>> Not at all. Let's talk about this dog.

For people that can't see this dog, what

kind of dog we got here?

>> Uh, she's a multi poo. So, uh,

>> she's she's so cute. She's well groomed.

>> Yeah, she's pretty. She just got her

haircut and she's uh I swear to God she

was like not bothering me the whole day

and then as soon as she sees me on Zoom

she's like, "Oh, it's time to

get to get going." Like it's

>> We love dogs on Zoom. We love What's her

What's her name?

>> Uh her name is Vulpix, like the Pokemon.

Um yeah,

>> amazing.

>> Yeah. So, there's that.

>> Jacob, it is so nice to talk to you.

>> Oh, thank you so much for having me.

This is so awesome. I literally need to

get the gushing out of the way. Pause.

Um I I literally I love you so much.

This is so great. I I'm such a big fan

of you.

>> Thank you very very much for saying

that. Um my I have two teenage boys and

they're kind of blown away that I'm

talking to you today.

>> Amazing. Oh, that's really nice.

>> You're very very famous and um and they

love your work as do I. And I love I

love like I will just say and I feel it

already and the work that you do the

your spirit comes through.

>> Oh, thank you so much. shirt. That means

a lot, Amy. Thank you.

>> Of course. It's really kind and and and

and may I say like it's also just it's

very Hawaiian.

>> I appreciate it. Yeah. I mean, hopefully

people are still proud of me back home.

>> Well, there is this thing this like um

there's something very hard to pin down

or like explain it almost like

explaining it ruins it, but about

Hawaiian people and culture. But I mean,

I I I just have to say I thank you for

your energy and and Hawaii and their

energy because it means a lot. Um, we're

thrilled to talk to you today because

you and Tom Holland, our guests who I've

never had the pleasure to meet and can't

wait to meet

>> are are genuinely really good friends.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We I mean I I think it's

it's not hyperbole to say that we've

literally seen each other grow up. And

um I've I I'm obviously proud of who

he's become and like what he's done with

his life and where he's gone in his

career as well. Um but it's it's crazy.

We we you know, at the time we we

weren't even allowed to drink alcohol.

>> Yeah.

>> And and now we're uh 30.

>> I know. I mean, in in researching for

today, the fact that when you guys got

the parts, you were 18, 19.

>> Yeah. Yeah. we're we're about to do

>> and and and frankly signing, you know, a

contract that was like we're going to do

a lot of movies with you. Um and it's

going to be the next 10 years of your

life. I mean, that is a big decision to

make at that age. And boy,

>> you're gambling that the person you're

working with like

>> hopefully is not a dick, right?

>> Exactly. Did you guys read together,

audition together and read together?

>> Yeah. So, I I had done like the

traditional thing of Well, I think self

tapes at the time were still kind of

new. Um, so I did I did a couple of

those and then we did a screen test

together for the first time and I think

ever since like that time it back in

like 2016

it just I think that the chemistry was

pretty apparent and you know at that

time I remember I don't remember a lot.

I feel like for me that was like my

first ever job. And so that that like

that kind of big audition and uh coming

in it it was all like literally such a

blur that I barely remember what we said

to each other. I just remember thinking

like god I really hope I have a job

after school. Like but it was just like

such a great time with him cuz he was

such a

>> easygoing person and he made it so

light. Um,

>> and at that time, you know, John Watts,

our director at the time, um, really

really made it a point for us to really

bond, and it just it was like such a

beautiful sort of story of of like two

friends coming together out of nowhere.

>> Yes. I mean, you can just tell that you

two really love and enjoy each other.

And the movie hinges a lot on Peter and

Ned's like relationship that

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think, you

know, Tom is also very he's big on like

making those relationships uh feel real

and like that's kind of like the

backbone of of Peter Parker's story. So,

I think he was also a very big proponent

proponent of uh making sure those

relationships make make sense and and

that it works. So,

>> yeah, I mean it it goes deeper, you

know, to this just this idea of like

male friendships and how they're

important they are and how

>> men really need friends.

>> Yeah, absolutely. like the I don't want

to advocate like male loneliness or

anything, but like it's a real thing.

It's true. It's a real thing to have

somebody that you know has your back and

that also

>> can kind of um be with you through the

the tough times.

>> Absolutely.

>> Um in this new movie, I mean, there are

some tough times cuz you guys all forget

that you know each other and you have to

kind of you have to learn to figure out

what's great about each other again.

It's a cool metaphor.

>> Yeah, it's really cool and hopefully

hopefully it works out for him. Usually

usually Spider-Man's life is not great.

So

>> now are you did you grow up as a as a

big fan of Marvel and and comic books

and these characters?

>> You know, I got to say I was more of a

Power Ranger guy.

>> Um Power Rangers is definitely my thing.

>> Yes.

>> But I think

>> What did you like about Power Rangers? I

think it's just like the colored

leotards

and and just like their cool helmets

because I know that obviously it wasn't

them doing the fight scenes but it was

still super cool. Um I really I I really

got into uh superhero stuff like

actually when Toby Magguire was doing

Spider-Man and I think a lot of us for

people who were like millennials I think

that was like our that was like our guy.

>> Yeah. I remember when I first saw

Spider-Man, I I I thought like, how did

this guy do all of this stuff?

>> Yeah.

>> And then I see Tom doing all this stuff

by himself and it's like insane. Like

it's actually crazy to be, you know,

again, 30. Like like not that 30's old

or anything, but like when he was 19, he

would get knocked down and come right

back up. And now like you know, he needs

a couple days. You know,

>> Jacob, I want to talk about this with

him today cuz I'd like him to stop. It's

I'm telling like he's actually doing

something just too dangerous for his

body. Like you know dumb for a reason.

Yeah.

>> Okay. This isn't going to go over well.

But I don't even think should there

should be any stunts at all in any

movies.

>> He's just like doing like taxes. Yeah.

He just does his taxes all movie. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

Yes. Peter learns to do his taxes and

Ned helps him and they go get ice cream

as a little treat

>> and then they watch a movie and they

That's That's what I want to see. And

then that's how the movie ends. That

That would actually be very beautiful. I

think that's very

>> And they just put ice on some of their

old injuries.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Like especially on their

knees. My knees are hurting. Oh my

goodness.

>> Yeah. They put some ice on their knees

and maybe I don't know, they call like,

you know, they they order they get food

delivered and they just chill.

>> Oh my god. You know, my Mrs. This is so

random, but she put me on to putting

like heat pads on my lower back.

>> It's not random, babe. Let's talk about

it.

>> Heat. Heat. I mean, I'm lying on a

heating pad all day.

>> I could I could sleep in all day now,

but

>> Okay. You want to You want want me to

blow your mind? Right behind me.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm going to show you this.

>> Right behind me, I have a good heating.

>> You put this in the microwave.

>> Oh, yes. When you're right,

>> you can wrap it on Oh, I don't know,

your shoulder or your lower back. It's

incredible.

I am literally this is how I know like

I'm so turned on by that. I genuinely

want to buy one now. Like

>> Oh, I'm gonna send you one.

>> Oh, thank you.

>> Before we get to your question for Tom,

just let's talk a little bit more about

what's so great about him. What's so

great about him?

>> Yeah. You know, I think again from the

first time I met him, he's just been so

he he's been so welcoming and so nice to

me. And obviously like he had done a few

things before I had and he was really

willing to to be there for me and

support me. And there was a lot of times

earlier in my career where I didn't

really know what I was doing. Um, just

in general, um, you know, I have like a

whole team of people to help me through

that stuff, but at the same time, I

think just dealing with like the sort of

uh actor part of it. I think he was

always there to be supportive of me. Um,

and I know him like as a person, like I

just know he would never talk dirty

behind my back.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and he's just like a good he's just

an amazing like good person like that.

And um I don't want to flex too hard,

but he just bought me this little rolly.

Um I wanted I wanted to wear it for him,

you know, cuz he that's my boy for life.

Um

>> and I hope he doesn't mind that I that I

told everyone that. But uh

>> well, he's very British, so he'll

probably be a little embarrassed.

>> Super embarrassed.

>> But we're But we can flash it a little

bit. Wow. That's a real friend. You

know, not one of my friends has ever

bought me a Rolex.

>> I think I think this is your sign, Amy.

You got to re you got to reassemble, you

know, you got to like rebunch them up.

>> It's really making me feel like a do I

even have friends.

>> That's what I I That's what I said. I

was like, you know, I just uh this is

also like another side piece to my

story. I just uh had a I had a bachelor

party in Vegas and it was so fun. It was

the greatest time ever and um it just

like I showed everyone this watch and

they were all like, "Oh, that's a great

watch." And I'm like, "Yeah, one of my

closest friends got it for me." So, you

know,

but um

>> Oh, man. Jacob, that's so awesome.

>> But he's he's truly just an amazing

person. And like I can't tell you like

the the way he carries himself. I mean,

just professionally uh and and like you

know uh in in his personal life, he he

just makes sure that everyone around him

is like comfortable and but he also he

also doesn't take you know from

anybody. He's very he very stands on on

himself and for his people and I think I

try to carry that with myself in my own

personal life because he's he's really

been a great role model to me. Um and

this is probably the most I've talked

really great about him.

>> Yeah. Well, like I think a lot of you

probably give each other a lot of

You know, that's what I think we talk a

lot more to each other than we do

like I do love him to death though. Like

I I know that he only ever shows me

love. So

>> Oh, thank you so much for saying that.

And do you have a question uh do you

think I should ask him today? something

he would want to talk about, a story, or

something that you think would be good.

>> Oh my gosh.

Uh if if he's if he would want to, I

think you should ask him about the

Boiling Rock part one.

>> Fantastic.

>> I I think that'll that'll really that'll

put a smile on his face.

>> The Boiling Rock part one.

>> Part one. Yes, that is that is

definitely some Jacob and Tom inside

stuff.

>> Okay, perfect. And he maybe he'll say no

comment and that will be fine, too.

>> Yeah. See what it is. Yeah,

>> perfect. I mean, this is the kind of

this is the kind of scoop we need.

>> Well, congratulations on your impending

marriage.

>> Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

>> You really are heading into your 30s

with um like a a tight lower back and a

fancy watch and a new bride.

>> It's pretty amazing. It's a pretty good

way to get in.

>> It's been so nice talking to you. It's

so great to meet you.

>> Thank you again for your work. I really

mean it that the relationship that you

guys have, you know, it's especially for

young men who are men and women who are

watching it. It's really important to

show those kind of relationships and so

thanks for your work and such a pleasure

talking to you.

>> Yeah. Thank you. Hope to see you soon.

>> I hope so, Jacob. I hope so. All right.

Okay. Take care.

>> All right. Speak to you soon. Okay.

Bye-bye.

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>> Tom, I just want to start by saying I

know you're British, so I will not

compliment you that much.

>> Okay, fantastic. Great stuff. We we'll

we'll get to teasing pretty fast, but

you are the probably the biggest movie

star that we've had on Good Hang. You

are my Tom Cruz. You are

>> Oh, fantastic. Wow. Thank you so much.

What a great start to

>> I think you are saving movies and I

think you are an incredible immense

talent.

>> Thank you very much.

>> And I love your work.

>> Oh, that's very sweet of you. Thank you.

>> And I'm so happy that you wanted to

Let's drink. Let's drink after that.

Mhm.

>> But I was so happy that you wanted to

come on because you're like a huge part

of our family's experience in movies. I

have two teenage boys. They are huge

fans of your work and as am I. And I

think the way you approach your work and

the way you approach who you work with

and how you work is really very very

special.

>> Thank you.

>> And then compliments. Done.

>> Done.

>> Yeah.

>> Now criticism.

>> Yes. So, you grew up in Southwest.

You're short as Thank you, Amy.

>> Well, you know, I'm a shorty, so I never

even know how tall anybody is. So, I

think everybody's tall. Um, you're a

Southwest London boy.

>> Yes.

>> And growing up with two art artist

parents, comedian dad.

>> Yeah. My dad is a standup. Yeah. My mom

is a photographer.

>> Okay. So, what is your house like? Like,

what are you guys laughing at? because

I'm kind of obsessed with the fact that

UK and US like there are big big um

things that we love that we don't know

about each other's comedy,

>> right? It's interesting. I mean, my dad

obviously being a standup,

>> what was so interesting as a kid is that

I always thought he was just unemployed

>> because he was always around.

>> Like he would put us to bed

>> and then he would go off and do his job.

He was either a comedian or Batman. Like

I had no idea what my dad did at night.

>> Yeah.

>> Um that's great.

>> So it was just a lot of fun. And my dad

was always really keen for us to all

contribute to the family dinner as much

as each other.

>> You know, there's telling stories. How

was your day at school? Like good was

never a good enough answer. It was

always like, well, tell me why your day

was good or tell me why your day was

bad. M

>> and I think his showmanship really

helped us as young kids to become, you

know, social and and I think it's really

helped me in my life and my career what

I ended up doing.

>> The tough thing about having a comedian

as a parent, as I'm sure your kids will

know,

>> is that no one that you bring to the

house is safe.

>> Like any of my mates that come over when

we were kids, my dad would just rinse

them. And it was like it was almost like

he was using dinner as like a warm-up to

go out and do a show that night.

>> Oh, this is gonna this is going to hit

home.

>> So, it was always we had an amazing

childhood and my parents are such

wonderful people. I really admire both

of them. You know, my mom in the way

that she continued working but was also

like the most hands-on

>> mom. And then my dad the same. My dad

was like I said,

>> he would only work when we were asleep.

So, he was always there. He took us to

school. He would take us out after

school.

>> Four. There's four boys in your family.

>> There's four of us. Yeah.

>> You're the oldest.

>> I'm the oldest. Probably not the most

>> intelligent of the four of us. My

brother Harry is pretty

>> okay.

>> Sharp.

>> Harry's sharp. Is there any of the four

that are introverted?

>> I'd say Paddyy is slightly introverted.

Yeah. Patty is the youngest.

>> He's a really talented painter.

>> Yeah.

>> So, he's really kind of got into this

world of like sitting up in his bedroom

and you're like, "What's Patty doing?"

And then he comes downstairs with this

canvas and it's it's amazing. He

actually worked on Spider-Man 4 in the

art department.

>> Oh, that's cool. I'm curious about Birth

Order because I'm the oldest as well and

being the oldest is like there is a

responsibility.

>> Yes,

>> it is.

>> To set an example,

>> one of your brothers was worked on like

was your assistant during one of the

films.

>> Yeah, Harry was my assistant for a long

time,

>> which was actually great. You know, when

I hired him, I was a little nervous

about

>> Yeah.

>> my asking my brother for a coffee and

him being like, "Fuck off.

>> You're chilling." Like, "What are you

doing?

>> I'm not getting you a coffee."

>> But he came around.

>> Yeah, he came around. He was great. He's

super professional. And him and I now

>> are running a production company

together.

>> Oh, that's great. and um trying to sort

of revitalize that mid-budget movie and

and and uh you know really try and put

those movies back on the map.

>> What is it like to be in a house with

four boys? It's wild.

>> I mean that's more a question for my

poor mom. Um, I think when Paddyy came

along,

there is a video somewhere of his birth

video and he comes out and his balls are

so red and I think you can hear my dad

go, "Oh, for God's sake."

Also, I mean, your mom probably would

would deny this to the, you know, to the

day she dies, but when you're having a

fourth child and you've had three boys,

maybe you're like, maybe this one would

be a girl.

>> Yeah, I think that was the intention.

And listen, I want to just say that I

love my brother to absolute death. He is

>> the best. I love him. He can take it.

And bless him as the youngest. He is the

butt of every joke. Um, I remember once

we had this huge argument when we were

kids, huge argument and we were outside

and sometimes our parents were like, "Go

outside and you figure it out, the three

of you. Don't fight,

>> but just get it off your chest."

>> And then like a week later, I said to my

dad, I'd like really got into air rifles

for some reason.

>> I was like, "Dad, I really want an air

rifle." And he was like,

>> "Did you see that argument you had the

other day?" I was like, "No, you can't

have an air rifle."

>> Yeah.

>> But yeah, our house was carnage. pure

carnage, but like in a good way.

>> Broken things like broken like there is

a feeling when you have a lot of boys

where you have to just kind of say

goodbye to nice things.

>> I think so.

>> Yeah.

>> What I have come to realize though now

that I have gotten older and moved out

and all of my brothers have moved out

that my parents were really keen for us

to be tidy.

>> Yeah.

>> But since I've all we've all moved out,

we have all realized that we were not

the problem. It is my parents that were

the problem. They were the ones. They

were the ones.

>> Are you still messy? Are you messy?

>> I ah this is a bit of a tough one

because

>> I live on two sides of the world. Yes.

>> We live in London and we live here in

LA.

>> And in London, I am really keen to keep

everything

>> really tidy.

>> But when you come to America, you just

let it all go.

>> I just I feel like I'm a guest when I'm

here, you know?

>> You know what? We don't appreciate that.

>> I know. I know. I should maybe change my

ways a little.

The thought of you guys working it out

in your house makes me feel like as

brothers makes me think about you as a

young person cuz we we started to get to

know you as a young person dancing in on

the West End in Billy Elliot and like

the way in which you had freedom to move

felt like that just came from your house

like right. My parents were always huge

fans of dancing. And all of us were sent

to this kind of Saturday school. It was

called Nifty Feet. It was this kind of

really fun little street dance kind of

class and we would do these shows every

summer at the ballet school down the

road.

>> And my parents loved it. Like it was

such a fun

>> time. And I remember it's so funny how

>> there are conversations that you have in

your life that really shape you as a

person. And I remember one

dance class or something my parents

would come and watch every single time.

They were always there watching. And I

guess maybe I was having a bad day or

something and and I was marking all the

routines. And on the way home, I thought

that I had been really cool in the way

that I had marked it. It was like, oh, I

don't care. I don't need to try that

hard.

>> Sure. Sure. Sure.

>> And I remember this conversation I had

with my dad where he was talking about

doing your best and even if you're not

feeling your best, you need to present

as your best. And it's such a it's so

interesting how,

>> you know, that simple little

conversation I had in the back of his

car has been so important to me as an

adult and a professional. And I think

about that conversation a lot.

>> It's so interesting you say that because

that is like a hard lesson for kids of a

certain age to learn that trying is

cool.

>> Totally.

>> But it's a it's it's so vulnerable.

>> Yeah.

>> And to look like you care.

>> Yeah. And it is our instinct to just I I

I've did it as an adult too. Like there

were times in my career where I would be

nervous. So I would just get kind of

like sleepy and ambivalent.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You're like I

don't really care about this.

>> Like you know auditioning for the Cohen

brothers just being like yawning in the

middle of it. Um because I was nervous

like and it is a hard lesson to learn.

But that is what is the difference

between I think like great performances

is people show that they care.

>> Totally. And it's that idea that

failing if you tried is better than

failing if you didn't try.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> You know, because then you don't feel

bad about it. You're like, at least I

did my best.

>> Just wasn't meant to be.

>> Little Tom Holland dancing. Could watch

it all day.

>> Janet Jackson.

>> Yes.

>> You love

>> I love Janet Jackson so much.

>> Let's talk about Janet for a second.

>> Oh man,

>> she's just electric.

She's so talented. And then we grew up I

like Janx grew up with Janet. Janet was

first on TV as a little young actress on

um Good Times doing like very heavy

material and then Janet of course

Michael but Janet we were like okay

Michael's sister Janet

>> and then Janet was her own just

incredible artist

>> who had huge hits and was an incredible

dancer. I to be perfectly honest with

you, I really feel like if you asked me

to list five people that have been

integral in the success of my career,

she would be one of them because have

you ever met her?

>> I've never met her. No. But if I didn't,

>> she's here.

>> Yeah. Can you imagine? Like, oh my god,

>> Janet, come on out.

>> But if I didn't

>> show that I had an understanding of like

rhythm, my mom would have never got me

into dancing. And if I didn't get into

dancing, I would never have been spotted

to audition for this show. and if I

didn't do that show, I wouldn't have got

an agent. And you know, it was never

something that I sought out. I never

wanted to be an actor. It was never like

>> I sat down with my parents and was like,

I have this dream of being famous. So,

if it hadn't been for that song when I

was a kid, I probably wouldn't be sat

here today, which is kind of crazy,

>> isn't it crazy? I was talking to Billy

Eyish was here and we were talking about

how she was like, you know, getting

ready to compete in all of her dancing

competitions.

and then like got hurt and then her song

became but I do feel like I have a

strong love and passion for dancing. I

feel like dancing is first of all it

feels like magic when people can do it

well it feels like something spiritual

but also I love it just personally

because it's very good for my nervous

system.

>> Yeah. Like it is this thing where if you

can shake it out and move, you can calm

yourself or whatever. It is this really

primal thing that I think opens the door

to all different types of creativity.

>> Totally agree. Yeah.

>> So what is your relationship to dancing

right now? How often do you dance? Where

do you dance? It comes at a very

interesting time because last week I did

my first dance rehearsal for the Fred a

stair movie that we're doing in next

year.

>> God,

>> I it's funny like I

>> I don't find myself getting that nervous

anymore for things, you know, because

you do it so often and it becomes second

nature and it feels like another day at

the office. But I went to Pineapple

Dance Studios, which is where I trained

as a kid when we were doing Billy

Elliot. I was with the director of the

movie and the choreographer of the

movie.

>> Wow.

>> And I was petrified because I'd been

telling this guy, this director, Paul

King, I said, "Don't worry, bro. Like, I

can dance, dude. Like,

>> babe, I'm not one of those actors."

>> Yeah. Like, I'm a dancer dancer.

>> Yeah. I was on the West End. Okay.

>> Right. And we get there and it's a, you

know, a bare room with a hardwood floor.

I've got tap shoes on. First time I've

worn tap shoes in 15 years.

>> And immediately I'm like, "Wow, my feet

feel like in these shoes."

>> Yeah, these hurt.

>> Yeah.

>> And um he kind of was a little bit like,

>> "Okay,

>> okay,

>> do your thing.

>> Show me what you got."

>> And I I went over to the computer and I

Googled the the Billy Elliot music and

was like, "I'm either going to do

something amazing here or I'm really

going to shoot myself in the foot."

Yeah.

>> And without even having to think of what

the first step was, it just happened

naturally. Now,

>> if I did the dance like I did last week

in front of my Billy Elliot

choreographers when I was a kid, they

probably would have buried me. Yeah.

Because it was horrendous.

>> They'd have a lot of really upset. But

it was really it was really exciting and

I've been very nervous about the idea of

making that film just because you know

it's going to be a huge undertaking from

a prep point of view and

>> it's also a big risk I think you know

it's a big

>> we're so ready for it.

I'm really excited. But after that

rehearsal,

>> any fears I had or any questions of

like, should I be making this movie

completely left

>> the room because I think my biggest

regret in my career so far

>> is that when I finished that show, I

quit dancing.

>> Yeah.

>> And I just, you know, would dance in a

club or something like that, but

wouldn't go and take class.

>> Yeah. And the thing I love most about my

job is that you can book a a film and

learn all of these amazing skills from

the best people in the business. And to

be able to do that again and pick up

dancing from square one and try to get

back into it, I think it's going to be

so fulfilling.

>> It's so cool. I mean, like you you you

were on the West End at how old? How old

were you when you were in Billy Elliott?

>> I started when I was 11.

>> Wow.

>> And I finished when I was 13. It was a

riot. I mean, I I've said this to many

people who who do um theater and are,

you know, on a in a long run, like to

have the hardest part of your day be at

the end of your day is really hard. You

know, you're just always prepping for

the end of your day.

>> Yeah, totally.

>> Was do you feel like in many ways that

was the hardest you ever worked was

doing that show or because you were

young like what when you go back to that

time, what do you feel like your energy?

Did you just have unlimited energy at

11, 12, and 13?

>> Yeah, I think so. Really? You know, it

was tough. But yeah, no, I think there

was also there was four of us. There

were four Billies at any one time. Yeah.

>> And you would share the roles. So you

would do Monday night, someone would do

Tuesday night.

>> You would do standby, so you would be

backstage in case a Billy got injured

and you would have to rush on.

>> I remember one night I had the night

off. I was playing golf with my dad and

we got a phone call saying, "Oh, Ollie's

come off the show. Brad's going on. can

you come in to be on standby? Cuz it had

happened in like the first 20 minutes of

the show. And then by the time I got to

the theater, Brad had then hurt himself.

>> So I had to go on and someone actually

wrote a letter into the theater and was

like, "Wouldn't it be easier and less

confusing to just use the same kid

rather than constantly changing them

out?"

>> Um, but no, I don't know if it's the

hardest I've ever worked. I think the

Odyssey, the the most recent film I did,

I mean, that was,

>> you know, one of the toughest jobs I've

ever had.

>> I cannot wait to talk to you about it.

First of all, can't believe I'm not in

the Odyssey because everyone else is.

>> Christopher Techville Techville. Um,

>> I mean, but I cannot. Also, all I've

heard is that how hard it is. And you do

hard things in your movies. Okay.

you you.

But before we get to those the two

biggest movies of the summer that you

are in, um I just want to talk about The

Impossible for a second.

>> Okay.

>> Because

>> yes,

>> for people that haven't seen it, don't

watch it. It's too sad.

>> It's intense.

>> It's so intense and it's so sad. It's so

good.

>> It's It's heartbreaking.

>> You are incredible in that movie. Your

performance is incredible. Naomi, you

and McGregor, the the younger children

who play your brothers are incredible.

It is for anyone who the moment when you

reunite is like, you know, I know that

I'm depressed when that comes up on my

TikTok. Like, I know that I'm your

algorithm is taking you through your

>> W. Sometimes my kids will look at my

algorithm and they'll be like, "Mom,

what's going on?" And it'll be like, "I

got to watch the scene again." I started

crying explaining the scene to Jenna

this morning. I was like, "And then they

fight each other." But Tom, that movie

that that movie is what was it? What

would what do you remember about the

experience of making that movie as a

young person? I think for me just an

acting masterclass from Naomi Watts and

just getting to be on set with her every

day and watching a professional at the

top of her game deliver you know a sort

of masterful performance while also

taking me under her wing and teaching me

everything that I knew know about cinema

really you know.

>> Was it your first feature that you had

done?

>> Yeah, it was my first film. So I had

left Billy. I did my first audition for

the film while I was in the show.

>> Wow.

>> I think I had the summer off after I

finished the show and then went straight

in to make that film. So, I had no idea

what I was doing.

>> Wow.

>> And I can imagine as, you know, an

actress that was doing a job that she

would might describe as the hardest role

she's ever played to have to also teach

a young kid how to do it.

>> She showed such patience and she was so

caring and kind. And I would make

mistakes because you know what it's

like.

>> Yeah. Where do I go? Why is there a big

red sausage on the floor? Like, what is

that about? And

>> she was so sweet and kind. And even if

we were in emotional scenes, she could

just snap right out of it and say, "Just

you're you're blocking me from the

you're standing in front of the camera."

I would move. She would get right back

into it.

>> So, she just was an absolute powerhouse.

And she had a great work ethic. She was

so kind and courteous to the crew. So it

for me

>> starting my career in this business it

could not have been a better blueprint

for how to behave and how to you know

work.

>> Well you talked about in in all in

Spider-Man in Odyssey in all of the

stuff you've done like you talk about

people that you've met who you've

learned a lot from like mentors in some

way.

>> Totally. I think my favorite thing about

being an actor is that you are the only

person when the camera calls cut who is

allowed to be in the middle of the room

>> and do absolutely nothing, right? You

you can be in the middle of that kind of

>> ecosystem and you have nothing to do.

You're just waiting for everyone to

reset. So you have the perfect vantage

point to just watch people work and see

how they do it and see how they do it

differently and see how directors

communicate with actors or crew. See how

actors take notes. I love

>> listening to a director give an actor a

note.

>> Yeah.

>> And go I I can't wait to see how you

interpret that note. And sometimes

you're like, "Wow, I wouldn't have done

it like that, but that is actually

really interesting."

>> Yeah. So for me it's less about asking

people for advice and it's more just

sitting back and watching them work

really.

>> I mean I think that is the the thing is

that people are always watching how

people behave in the world.

>> Totally.

>> And it what you say means nothing if

it's different than your behavior. Like

you just watch how people behave.

>> Exactly. And you know what it's like on

a film set. You're there for 5 months.

You're up at 4 in the morning. Like you

get to see every shade of a person's

personality.

>> Yeah. So seeing someone like Matt Damon

for example on the Odyssey, I have never

seen anyone work as hard as Matt did on

that film.

>> Yeah.

>> And he was as kind and gracious as he

was at the beginning of the day, at the

end of the day, and on the toughest

days.

>> So it just was it was awesome for me to

see someone as experienced as himself

also just be the nicest guy and treat it

as if this was his first movie.

>> Yeah, that's awesome.

you go from the impossible to Spider-Man

and somehow and you know you've talked

about it a lot 1500 people audition for

that role getting that part um it's just

it's just like winning a 10-year lottery

and it's just changed completely changed

your life and also it's someone telling

you like hey the next 10 years of your

life are going to be this like it's

heavy and exciting all at the same time

It's It was a really weird day the day

that I found out that I got the part

because it's all I had ever wanted. I

remember watching Andrew's movies in the

cinema.

>> Yeah.

>> And just thinking to myself like, "Oh,

wow." Like, imagine if I got an

opportunity like that to play that

character. Like that would be

>> But even then you were like, "I could do

that."

>> If I knew that I could do it, it was

more just this like hunger of

>> I would love to play that role one day.

M

>> I then spent the next like 5 years

thinking about it, thinking about it. I

found out that they were they were

auditioning for it. I got myself in

there and I spent about six, seven

months auditioning for the film and all

I could think about was getting that

job.

>> Yeah.

>> And then the day that I got it and I

found out, it was like through the roof

excitement and then immediate like, "Oh,

but now I have to actually do it."

>> Oh, a nightmare. Dread. Why did I want

this? Like this is a night like you're

holding the hot potato and you're like

who can I give this to?

>> Totally. And like what's been crazy is

doing this fourth film now Spider-Man

Brand New Day. I felt very similar to

the way I did on my first film which was

excitement, fear, you know, trying to

find this sense of confidence that I

could do this cuz the third movie was so

successful and sharing the screen with

Toby and Andrew felt like the perfect

sendoff. for all of us. So when I walked

on set for the first time, there was a

feeling of like this

right now like we

dest

felt like oh this is exactly what we've

been missing. And

>> I am so excited for this next chapter of

the franchise because it feels

different. It feels new and unique. It

feels more mature. Um, and you know, I

love John Watts, the guy that directed

the first three, and I think tonally he

did such a good job with making these

films feel like the experience of a

teenager.

>> Yeah. Well, I love what you guys are uh

getting into, which is this idea of if I

had to relearn why I love people,

>> like that thing of if I had to if I had

to like do it all over again, would I

choose the people in my life? Like it's

a deep cool metaphor for what it's like

to get older, like to grow up, to look

at your life, like it's very cool. And

and and also like what what is memory?

Like what what are we supposed to

remember? What are we supposed to let go

of? Like it's very very cool territory.

>> Yeah. I think my proudest thing about

this new movie is the message of it. You

know, it's it's a superhero movie at the

end of the day. Tom Rosman, the studio

head, kind of describes it as a

superhuman movie

>> because I think the message is so

important for young people in this

digital age. It's so easy to sit at home

of an evening and just scroll through

your phone and just turn your mind to

mush and to forget about how important

socializing is.

>> Well, my phone is my best friend, so I

don't talk about it.

>> Tell me about it. Tell I had like a

whole bunch of watch

yesterday.

growing up, did you care about

Spider-Man? Because you and dressed up

as Spider-Man. Yeah, because I have boys

who loved Spider-Man, too. And And it's

really fascinating to watch how that

character gets into the psyche of girls

and boys. Um, why do you think they Why

did you as a young kid?

>> I think it's because he's always asking

himself that question of who am I?

>> Yeah.

>> You know, cuz he doesn't know who he is

yet. It's this young experience of

>> failing or trying to talk to the crush

that you have at school and it doesn't

go well or being behind on homework. And

>> it's it's just that youthful experience

of finding out who you are as a person.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and what I love about this film is

that the whole premise of the movie is

that he's neglecting who he is. He is

kind of trying his best to suppress his

trauma and just focus on being a hero

>> while failing to realize that the person

he is makes him the hero that we love.

>> So, it's a really nice little balancing

act. Um, and I also think if you ask any

young kid what their favorite color is,

it's going to be red or blue.

>> And he has both of those.

>> He's got them both.

>> He has both of those.

>> He's got both, babe.

>> Yeah. And he also does that thing where

he shoots from his fingers

>> and but it's not this kind of shoot.

>> That is very important distinction.

>> Yes. Because it is a totally different

distinction. I'm probably doing it

wrong.

>> That's close enough.

>> Close enough. Yeah.

>> And um and that for little young people

feels like a way to like like expel

energy. Yeah. like and and the other

thing I'll just say is that because of

course because you're a dancer the way

you moved as that character cuz

Spider-Man moves so it when you and

you've talked about this which I love is

like you like to get into characters

physically first like that's how you

kind of walk around the space with them

>> and I I I just want to before we move

off of the dancing part I just want to

say that I think there's a deeper reason

why your viral moment dancing to

umbrella was so successful.

I have to bring it up. I'm sorry. I've

watched it 5,000 times.

>> I get more compliments for that dance

than any piece of work I have ever done.

>> Yeah, I've probably watched it more than

most movies. Um, but I not only because

of the talent, not only because it's

just so funny and fun and great and like

you guys are having such a good time

together,

>> but it's a person who is, dare I say,

comfortable with their feminine side.

>> Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah.

>> Well, oh yeah, totally. Yeah. But that's

not always the case with men in general.

And I mean, you've you've talked about

it, like being a young boy doing ballet,

being like a a a a person who's had to

like figure out like what is what is

typically male, what is typically

female, like what what comes from all

that. When you come out confidently in

that in that outfit

and crush it, it was like exploded

everybody's ideas of everything in the

best way. Now, I'm not like I know that

wasn't your intention maybe, but I just

hope you know that it opened up a lot of

feelings for a lot of people.

>> I will say though, at one point in the

dress rehearsal, the lady was like, "Do

you think we could cut the shorts a

little bit short?" I was like, "No."

>> You were like, "Okay,

>> I'm doing enough.

>> I'm doing enough for the cause.

>> This is still

years ahead of its time."

>> 100%.

And that moment, what is your memory of

that moment doing it? Because did you

feel the time like this is really fun

and funny and goofy or and then has the

response been confusing to you or did

you what what's your memory of doing

that?

>> I I was I was really excited about it. I

was nervous

>> at the prospect of doing a live show.

>> Sure.

>> And doing the dance and messing up the

choreography or something like that.

>> But it's funny, it never really crossed

my mind how it would be received. I just

thought,

>> "Oh, what a fun idea. like we'll do this

kind of singing in the rain thing and

you felt the energy in the room

literally deflate like I started doing

the thing in the suit and there's like

you know everyone in that audience is

like 19 years old and I was like what on

earth is he doing

>> and I just knew in my body I was like

when I take this suit off you are going

to go nuts

>> and I remember like I had to put

lipstick on behind the dancers and

stuffing and I had to rip the suit off

behind them which I'm almost sad I

didn't do that on camera cuz it was so

fun just having a rip away suit.

>> Um

>> they probably were they wanted to like

cover just in case you didn't get it

right.

>> Just in case you know there was

>> Little did they know they were working

with a professional.

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah. A professional.

>> A professional.

>> And that and that dance is a great

example of what your dad said in the

car, which is like, "Go for it, babe."

>> Yeah. If you're going to do it, give it

100%.

>> Yes.

>> It's such a thrilling performance. Thank

you so much. Thank you.

>> It is. Am I wrong?

>> That's why I'm so excited about this

Fred a stair thing because of how kind

of scary it is and how much if I don't

commit to it 100% it won't work. And I

kind of love the idea of that.

>> There's like a million different ways in

which you can put your art out into the

world, right? Everybody gets to put it

out however they want. But, you know,

there's just there's there's few repres

representations of men that feel like

they're like open to experiences in that

way. Am I making any sense?

>> Yeah. No, totally. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, save us.

>> Yeah. I I will do my best,

>> Tom. Please. But I want to ask you one

question. Don't or I want to ask a favor

of you. Don't do any more stunts.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> Oh my word.

>> No more stunts. I know that um

>> in movies period.

>> Yeah.

>> But I do feel like stunts are there.

Well, I mean, you just have to be what

>> when you're doing a stunt, what do you

do with your body? Like what what's what

are some tricks?

>> Just let it happen. Like just grip it

and rip it, you know? Like more often

than not, you're on a wire and you're

there's another guy on the end with a

button and you always want to make sure

you say hello to him and keep him sweet

because you don't want him to dial it up

and just fire you off into oblivion.

>> Um, but truth be told,

>> I have an amazing team of stunt

performers that I work with and you know

the luxury of the Spider-Man suit is

that when one of us is in it, we're very

interchangeable. And as it is a

character that requires like a really

elite level of physicality,

>> those guys are you know exir

British gymnasts, you know, world

champions and stuff like that. So

>> as the movies have gone on, my appetite

to do everything has definitely dwindled

because they do a better job.

>> Like I can do a backflip

>> but Luke can do a double backflip.

>> Yeah. So, it's like if you want it to be

really special, sometimes you have to

take your ego out of the room and just

let them handle the tough stuff

>> and you got to protect the money maker.

You got to protect the money. I mean,

come on, babe. We can't We can't mess

with that face.

>> No. But I do love it and it is fun. The

rush is really great when you do

something

>> that is really scary and it goes really

well. It is a great feeling.

>> Yeah, I bet. And it does feel like the

closest to being an athlete.

>> Yeah, totally. Yeah, absolutely.

>> And the team like you did it.

>> YEAH. WELL DONE. LET'S GO.

>> YEAH. EXACT. Cuz sometimes acting

doesn't feel that way.

>> Yeah. It's not. Especially on set cuz

there's, you know, whenever the if the

crew give you a round of applause, it

feels so like they're just like we want

to go home, right? Like get on with it.

Yeah. Well done. You did some acting.

>> Um

>> but yeah, if you do a stunt, you do feel

like pretty badass. Yeah. Totally.

>> Um uh

>> the last thing I'll say about Spider-Man

is Jacob. Your relationship with Jacob

is really really cool.

>> Yeah, he's the best. He and I mean I

love that you guys are, you know, real

friends in real life and met at a young

age and kind of grew up together doing

the the films together and also it just

like shows

>> like Ned and Peter's relationship I

think is an example of like great male

friendship. Um and um we spoke to him

before this podcast.

>> No way. Oh no.

>> Yes. who we got. We spoke um we he

talked a little bit about you and also

he gave us a question to ask and he was

a total delight. Um he flashed his um

his Rolex.

>> Oh, really? He showed you. Nice. Nice.

>> But um he wanted me to ask you a

question. He wants me and you do it.

Feel free to pass if you want because I

don't know what this is about.

>> So I don't know. Um, he wants me to ask

you about the boiling rock part one.

>> Oh, wow. The boiling rock.

>> Is this worth talking about?

>> You can tell us off the air.

>> I think I should probably tell you off

the air.

>> I knew it. I knew it.

>> But now it's going to sound like we're

smoking crack or something.

>> No, it's such a typical boy thing. I was

like, give me a question that you would

want to talk about. He was like, the

boiling rock part one. I was like, he's

not going to want to talk about this.

>> Oh man.

>> Yeah. No, we'll chat about that.

>> Okay, we'll chat about that later. But

tell me what you love about Jacob.

>> I just love his.

>> Oh man, I'm taking that Rolex back.

Uh, I just love his I love who he is as

a person. I love his soul. I love his

his energy. I love

>> his his enthusiasm. He you know what's

been so amazing for the two of us is

that our lives changed on the same day

together.

>> Yeah.

>> And we've been through this whole

journey together and I've loved every

minute of it. All of John's movies,

making those and now working with Destin

>> it and sharing that with someone that

has been there since the beginning is

really special.

>> Yeah.

>> He's also just one of my best mates.

Like if I haven't seen him for 6 months,

when I link up with him, it's as if no

time has passed. Yeah.

>> And he's an amazing actor and I think

that no one could play Ned the way that

Jacob does. I think that

>> he is the only person

>> that could get those kinds of laughs and

especially in this movie. I think he's

really dialed up the humor in in an

excellent way.

>> And I just I just

>> I mean he feels like he feels like he's

he's like that character is like a a

standin for the fan almost, you know,

like the audience. And I think that was

John Watts's kind of goal was to create

a movie

>> that felt like all of us were

experiencing what it's like to be

Spider-Man. But me and him, we just did

an escape room together.

>> And everyone's just like, "Climb the

walls, dude."

>> We were in LA and I text him and I was

like, "Are you here?" And he said,

"Yes." And I was like, "I booked this

escape room, bro, if you want to come."

And we went, one of the producers from

the movie came and him and I were

useless. really

>> useless. But we're both leaders, which

is a recipe for disaster.

>> That's right.

>> So, there was a lot of like, Jacob, let

me do it. Let me do it.

>> What are we doing here?

>> And then the time is ticking down.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It was no good. But I love

him to death and I I really He will be a

friend for life and he is such a

wonderful person and I couldn't be more

grateful to have done this with him.

>> Yeah. Oh, he says the same about you.

And and the other big big gigantic movie

coming out this summer that you're going

to start talking about and probably be

doing press now for the next 5,000

years.

>> Yes.

>> Is the Odyssey.

>> Yeah.

>> Um which uh it looks incredible. I um

Who do you play in it?

>> I play Tmacus.

>> Okay.

>> When I first sat down with Chris, I said

I'm so excited to play Telmacus.

>> Yeah, sure. I'm heavily dyslexic,

>> which is one of the reasons why, and I'd

love to talk to you today about it

actually, is why I've never done SNL

>> because of the Q card.

>> I'm just so petrified at the concept of

like trying to read something

>> and they change.

>> Well, I I'm sure they have had many

dyslexics host.

>> Totally. It's just that like for me, I

can read fine.

>> Yeah.

>> But when I have to read out loud, it

just becomes like a kind of

>> It's like a mental block. Yeah.

>> And I can freeze. So for me, my worst

day at work is the read through. Like at

the read through, I will try and

highlight everything and learn my lines

ahead of time.

>> Yes.

>> So that I'm more kind of skimming it

than I am.

>> You're kind of remembering it visually,

but you know it.

>> Yeah. So I've been, you know, I've been

really lucky that they've asked me a few

times to do it. And the truth is is that

I'm actually just really scared at the

prospect of I love the show and I love

the idea of

>> having fun and making a fool of yourself

in such a fun creative way. It's just

that thing of the Q cards.

>> You have to remember there have been

people that have hosted that have been

fully on drugs.

>> Yeah, that is true. That is true. I

think you can do it.

>> And who are those people?

>> Well, I'll tell you. You can tell.

>> Are you telling me the boiling rock?

I'll tell you those people.

But it is but but that's so I I love you

talking about that Tom because it is

true like the way we learn

>> how everybody learns is very different

and of course then what that does is it

makes you like be a physical tactile

person

>> right

>> like that's that of course that's how

you become that's how you express

yourself.

>> Yeah. So, okay, this is interesting to

me because to me like a a nightmare

would be being in a Christopher Nolan

movie and like not knowing my lines or

like that's a night

>> that would be bad.

>> Okay, so your character is How would you

explain your character?

>> My character is a young man

who is

kind of feeling this incredible sense of

protection towards his mom. She's under

an immense amount of pressure from these

very vulgar men who all want to marry

her and become the king of Ithaca.

>> And Odysius, my dad, he is the king of

Ithaca, but no one knows whether he is

alive or not.

>> Who's playing Odysius?

>> That is Matt Damon.

>> Ah,

>> and the story is about a dad trying to

come home

>> and a young boy trying to find his dad.

And there is obviously a wonderful scene

when that kind of story comes full

circle

>> and you know for me it was a dream come

true job working with Chris.

>> What's it like working with him?

>> Just a dream. An absolute dream. He is

>> he is so fun to work for.

>> Fun.

>> Working for Chris is just a it's a

delight. I absolutely loved working for

him. I admire him beyond belief. His

crew is without a doubt the best that I

have ever worked with.

>> Is it a quiet place? Like I picture

everyone in suits being very good at

their job.

>> I would say it's a very focused place.

>> It's definitely fun. Yeah.

>> You know, like I laughed a lot when I

was there

>> and we we had a really good time,

>> but it's definitely we are there to do a

job. We are there to try and,

>> you know, create something that has

never been done before. We were filming

everything on IMAX.

>> What is I've heard this now, but what

does that mean for you? How does it make

it different for you to film on IMAX?

>> The camera is like as big as this table.

>> I see. Okay. So, the camera's huge.

>> Yeah, it's humongous. And if and they

had this thing that Hoita had designed,

the cinematographer, which we called the

blimp,

>> and it was essentially, you remember

those old boxes, the the stills

photographers would have that would

dampen out the sound? It's essentially

that but for the camera.

>> Whoa. So when they put the the camera in

there, you can't hear anything. But if

they're having it handheld, it goes like

it's like super loud.

>> Wa.

>> So it's if you're doing scenes like

that, it is really difficult to focus.

And I I struggle focusing sometimes.

>> And I remember again like talking about

lessons and watching actors work. I

remember a scene between Matt and Anne

Hathaway. It's about a 9minut scene and

the camera can only run for 3 minutes at

a time because it runs out of film.

>> Wow.

>> So they would run it, they would take it

out the blimp, reload it, put it back in

and then the two actors would just carry

on from where they left off. And this is

like the most emotional scene in the

movie. It is like

>> it's so fantastic.

>> And to see both of them cuz obviously

they shot I think they shot Matt's side

first and then they shot an side. So

that took almost an entire afternoon.

Mhm.

>> And to see them stay in character and

stay in that emotion and never waver and

never come out of it. And they would

call cut. They would reload the camera.

Matt and Anne just stayed there in the

moment for 3 minutes maybe before the

camera would roll again.

>> Wow.

>> It was just a masterclass in patience,

professionalism, and like confidence in

themselves.

>> It was awesome. And I think Chris

>> Chris really

>> gives you a lot of confidence.

>> Yeah. Like there's something about

doing a take and him coming up to you

and giving you a pat on the back and

sort of saying, "Great, let's move on."

>> That must feels like, "Oh, whoa." Like I

nailed that.

>> He is such a He's so incredible. His his

work is so incredible. And you're right.

When you work with people who are in

like that elevated space, like really in

the top of their game, you just like a

rise a rising tide rises all raises all

boats. That's exactly it. I can't

>> That's my favorite saying.

>> That's my favorite saying.

>> Also, I want to say that you get to work

again with your partner in life, Zenaia,

who is an incredible actress.

>> What do you learn from her as an

actress, as an artist? What do you like

working with her? You work with her in

Spider-Man. You work with her in this.

You work with her in Life. What do you

What have you learned from her?

>> I think what I love about watching her

work as an actress is she's just

fearless.

>> Yeah. She's just like absolutely 10 toes

down like I'm going to give this

everything. And I think when you watch

her as Ru.

>> Yeah.

>> In that show,

>> she could not be more different to who

she is in real life.

>> And then if you see her as Emma in the

drama,

>> it's it's just such a different

performance, but with no less intent or

passion or drive.

>> Yeah.

>> And I I think she's I think she's the

best actor going. I really think she has

like something special.

>> Whenever you're in a relationship where

you're just doing the same thing,

>> right?

>> That can be super helpful because you

understand what the other person is

going through. You understand?

>> It's a wild world being in this industry

and you know there are ups and downs and

>> you know you go from shooting a movie

which is when we're all at our most

comfortable and then you do a press tour

which feels like you're kind of standing

out on the stage

>> and it's so nice to have someone that

understands that in such a personal way

so that you can talk each other down or

you can big each other up and

>> and uh it's a lifeline. It it really is.

I couldn't imagine doing what I do

without her. Please don't ever um we

love you two together and also um I know

it's we don't know you um we're this is

we're projecting but and I don't know

Zenaia but I am such a huge fan of her

work and what I feel like she and you

both prove is like the more talented you

are the easier you are to work with.

like you guys come into I've heard just

the most amazing things about her and

how she works and um you guys just

delivered this version of how to work

that is really really amazing

>> and I can see why you you respect that

in each other. Yeah, we we had an

amazing moment on Spider-Man Brand New

Day and it's only because of our

relationship that this happened where we

were shooting this scene and we'd shot

my coverage. We then turned around on

Zena, we're doing her coverage and I

would never ever dream of saying this to

an actress that I wasn't with.

>> Right.

>> And I said to her, I said, "Do you think

that this scene is working?"

>> Yeah.

>> And she was like, "No, I don't think

this scene is working at all." So, I

then went to the producers and asked

like, "Do you think the scene is

working?" And they said, "No." And I was

like, "Yeah, me and Z are like really

not feeling it." I then went and sat

down with Destin and said, "Hey, man.

Listen, I know we've been shooting for

hours." And

>> I hate to tell you this, but I just I

don't think that this scene is working.

Z and I like what we're supposed to

feel. We're not feeling it in the

moment.

>> And what I love about Destin is

>> he's so calm.

>> There's nothing that could throw him

off. and he just kind of he listened and

he sat down and he was like, "Well, what

is it that you're trying to feel

>> and I told him and he went, "Yeah,

you're right. That's exactly what we

need to be feeling." So, he just he said

to the crew, "Everyone can go home."

>> Incredible.

>> We're going to sit down and we're going

to rewrite this scene with the writer,

Justin,

>> who was such a talent.

>> And we came in the next day, we reshot

the scene, and I'm so glad that we did

because it sings in the movie. It really

does.

>> But it's just it's a it was just so

funny. Like I was thinking about like if

this wasn't Zenaia that I was sitting

across from.

>> Imagine on someone else's coverage being

like do you think this is working?

>> Well I have I have done that

>> and I'm here to say it does not go over

well.

>> No it does not.

>> Yeah because it's like is this good?

>> Are you going to do it like that?

>> I go are we doing a good job? And

they're like are you talking to me like

>> this is my best work.

>> Nope. I'm talking to myself.

>> Yes. You're so right. I mean that

there's an intimacy that matters when

you're doing work like that. And also,

you know, in the reverse, when you're

working with someone you know very well,

sometimes you forget like,

>> oh, we have to kind of just like show up

and be scene partners here and we have

to not like

>> cross those boundaries. Yeah.

>> But yeah, it's I mean it's exactly what

I'm talking about is like I feel like

you guys are always striving

>> and challenging each other and

challenging you know and and being

partners and in life and in work. It's

really really cool to see. Thank you.

>> I do want to tell the one thing about

the Odyssey is and in Spider-Man you

have to do an American accent.

>> Yes. Which actually weirdly feels more

comfortable for me as an actor. It just

feels like there's an immediate degree

of separation from who I am as a person.

And you know doing different American

accents is difficult. You know on the

Odyssey I think there was a few times

where I went full like New York Queens

like Odysius you're home. How are you?

You know AND IT'S LIKE WHAT

for you.

>> So I think that

>> are there words that help you get into

an American accent?

>> Ironically the words that I struggle to

say the most is Spider-Man.

It's so weird.

>> You know what? While you drink, I'll

share that my Boston accent, my East

Coast Boston accent,

>> okay?

>> When I was playing Leslie, Nope. The one

word that I had a hard time saying was I

still have a hard time saying is

government.

>> Government,

>> which I had to say so much and playing a

government employee, but there's

something about the word

>> govern

cuz we would say government like

government We'd say government in

government.

>> Yeah. Like that you get rid of the R.

>> Okay.

>> Like Yeah. I I have to deal with a

government.

>> Okay. Government.

>> Government.

>> Cuz also there's an N in there. That is

weird government.

>> Government. Yeah. So SP because you'd

want to say Spider-Man.

>> No. Because I would want to say

Spider-Man is what for some reason

sounded so much more.

>> And I'm like that's kind of New York,

isn't it? And he's like, no, that is the

deep south. Um

>> but I

>> y'all you were like y'all. I'm

Spider-Man.

>> Hey y um yeah I don't know. I just for

some reason

>> you're very good at it.

>> I really found Spider-Man a difficult

word to say for some reason.

>> Isn't it funny? I mean I'm sure a lot of

people don't know that you're British.

>> I do still get that actually a lot

getting recognized on the street and

people are like

>> uh what is going on with your accent,

dude?

>> You know the Brits are not always the

best at American accents.

>> That is true. The Irish are a little

better and the Australians are the best.

>> You think so?

>> I do.

>> Like Naomi speaking, she's fantastic.

There's a lot of very good like

Australians that crush it. I think the

Brits tend to be the worst.

>> That is an interesting observation.

>> Now, I'm just going to say I cannot do a

British accent, so I would never even

try.

>> A British accent is tough.

>> There's so many of them.

>> There's just too many of them, and you

have to commit to one. And it's quite

it's hard. Zenaia has become amazing at

British accents. It's actually kind of

crazy. It's crazy. Um, but yeah, I think

and also it's very difficult to do a

British accent and not make it become a

caricature type accent.

>> Yeah. I mean, I think I think conversely

like with Brits when they do American

accents, the one thing that they do is

they they kind of always turn into

this kind of talking,

>> right?

>> Like it's just very cuz they want to

make sure that they're rounding out

their consonants.

>> There's lots of long Rs. One of the

things I find really difficult is a lot

of Americans, New Yorkers especially,

when they're ordering food, it's very

different to how we order food. In

England, it says, "Please, may I have

the burger with number two? Thank you so

much. Please." That'd be, "Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you." And in America,

it's totally fine to be like, "I'll have

the number two."

>> Yeah.

>> And just leave it at that.

>> Especially in the East Coast.

>> Totally. And I would be doing scenes and

my dialect coach would come in and be

like, "Stop saying please."

>> Ooh. like

>> a kid from New York's not going to say

please if you're asking for a burger. So

I you can see it. There's a moment in

this movie where someone asks me for a

coffee and I just go sure. And even

through the suit you can see like I'm

like my dad is going to be so

disappointed in me.

>> I mean in New York it's gotten to the

point where it's like let me get

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> I mean but that is so I mean I I'm still

shocked when people get like let me get

a uh egg and cheese. It's like, "Let me

get."

>> And

my dad always says to me, he goes, "No,

son. You can't go and get it.

>> They'll bring it to you,

>> but you can't go and get it. You can

have it.

>> Let me get,

>> but you you can't go and get it. They'll

stop you getting it."

>> It's so true. I mean, I I I The other

last thing I'll say is that it took me a

long time real to realize that quite

meant something different for Americans

as than it did for Brits. So quite for

you means pretty good. So like

>> how was it? It was quite good.

>> Yeah.

>> That's means it was pretty good. But we

don't understand that as Americans. We

use quite as like it was very good. So

like it was quite good.

>> Oh wow.

>> Like we say like it was quite a show.

>> Oh wow.

>> You know so for a long time Brits would

be telling me that they kind of didn't

like things that much and I'd be like

like they like it.

He said it was quite good. And I don't

think enough friends know this

>> that we don't always understand that

quite means pretty good.

>> But we are like He loved it. Which is

also very American. We've talked about

your films. Before we go, I just want to

talk about your beer.

>> Oh yes.

>> Your non-alcoholic beer.

>> Yes.

>> Bureau.

>> Be

>> your brand.

>> Um congratulations on it.

>> Thank you so much. We've been drinking

it from these cups the entire time.

>> Delicious.

>> And um why did you start a brand and why

non-alcoholic?

>> So, I quit drinking.

>> Yeah.

>> Um because I had a problem and I just

couldn't put it down and it was

affecting my professional life. It was

affecting my personal life and my

health.

>> Mhm. So, I decided to to pack it in and

I got through that first year, which I

think was the toughest challenge that

I've ever been on. And during that first

year, I noticed that there was limited

options for people like me that were

looking for something that would scratch

that itch, that would help you

>> live or go to the bar and be a part of

the social experience, but not feel like

the only person with a lemonade.

>> Yeah. The truth behind the shandies,

which we're bringing out this summer, is

that Z has never drank. She's never been

a drinker.

>> She's incredible.

>> She's the best. She's the best.

>> She's the best.

>> She's never drank.

>> So on her game,

>> I know.

>> And um which means she never found the

taste for beer. And everyone remembers

their first beer. It's a little bit like

that kind of doesn't taste great.

>> Like why does my dad drink this all the

time?

>> And then you get drunk and you're like,

oh, okay, let's go. I'm not here, but

I'm here.

>> Right. So, she just she's incredibly

proud of Bureau. It's just there there

is a missing link of like she doesn't

enjoy the stuff that I'm trying to sell.

>> Right.

>> So, my mom actually came up with the

idea and she said, "You know what? If

you did a Chandi, which is uh it's

essentially half a beer and then half a

lemonade."

>> Ooh. and we have a a grapefruit flavor.

There's lemon lime. There's blackberry

yuzu. There's elderflower. And it was a

ploy to create something at the company

that she could enjoy.

>> Yeah. So, when this comes out, you will

have turned 30. What is something you're

looking forward to about turning 30?

What what what's exciting about it?

>> I am

I'm incredibly proud of my 20s. M

>> like I look back at the things that have

happened in my life personally and then

professionally and I look back on them

really really fondly. So I'm kind of sad

to say goodbye to my 20s

>> but equally excited to to walk into my

30s. I think as a kid growing up in this

industry I've always just been a kid at

work.

>> Yeah.

>> You know and I'm really excited to sort

of and I think that's probably an

internal thing. Not that people treat me

like a kid. It's just I've always felt

like, oh, I'm just kind of the young one

here

>> and I'm really excited to be, you know,

a young man on set and and experience

what that's like. And

>> I have some really exciting projects in

the pipeline and uh

>> Yeah.

>> And yeah, I'm excited.

>> That's awesome. I mean, I I I feel like

just much like Spider-Man, like there's

so much ahead for you, but there is a it

feels like from a very young age, you've

had a very strong sense of yourself.

That is kind of like something that you

just kind of have. It's a thing often

you're born with and I think people feel

it from you. Um I know I'm count myself

as one of the many people who can't like

wait to see whatever you're doing next.

It's really awesome. And so we always

finish our our our um interviews by

asking our guests like, you know, in

these in these like often complicated

and troubled times, what they're doing

to laugh,

>> right?

>> Who makes them laugh? You come from a

funny family.

>> What are you watching, listening to,

reading? What video do you watch over

and over again? What is your like

comfort? What's your comfort movie? What

is your like comedy goto that Tom that

makes Tom laugh? And then I want to show

you a Tik Tok dance and see if you can

teach me.

>> But don't worry, not now.

>> I

>> Now that we're friends and we're going

to hang out.

>> My favorite night out is to go to the

comedy club.

>> Oo.

>> I love all standup. I think it is the

bravest form of art in our world because

it's like I remember being backstage

with my dad. I've always been so

impressed by my dad. Like he is like my

hero because he he never brought the bad

gigs home. He's your own.

>> He never brought bad gigs home. He's

always been someone that's incredibly

positive. He's super ambitious. He's

really tenacious. And I remember one

night he took me to the comedy store and

we went together to watch and we went

backstage and we saw all the comics kind

of getting ready for their set.

>> Yeah.

>> And I was so impressed by when I go to

work, I get picked up,

>> someone makes my breakfast.

>> Someone hands me the words that I'm

supposed to say. Someone will tell me

where I'm supposed to stand. Someone

dresses me and I'm considered an artist.

But so much of that work is done for me.

>> But then backstage you see them taking

their anorak off, putting their pack

lunch on the side. They go out, they

nail it, they come in and they head off

to the next club. And I know some of

them have writers and all that sort of

stuff, but to see the singular effort

that it takes, I was always so impressed

by that. Um, and I love that my dad took

me to see that because it was really eye

opening to me.

>> That's cool. That's very cool.

>> Tom Holland, thank you so much for being

here.

>> Yeah, my pleasure.

>> It really means a lot. We were very,

very excited to have someone of your

caliber sitting across from us. And um,

congratulations on the two most gigantic

movies ever coming. Um, and thank you

for all the work that you do and thanks

for being so great and a pleasure to

meet you.

>> Amazing. Thanks, Amy. I appreciate it.

Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. It's

been so fun.

>> Tom Holland. H what a delight. Love

talking to you. Thank you so much for

coming and um can't wait to see what

you're in this summer and what you're in

ever forever for the rest of your life.

Uh such a fan. Um, and uh, for this

Polar Plunge, I just wanted, you know,

we talked a little bit about dancing and

we talked about Janet Jackson and um,

there is a choreographer on TikTok um,

named Charlie Wakey who has started a

trend where he he created a dance to

like a smooth criminal mashup, a Michael

Jackson song. And um I just I just love

that side of um dancing online where

somebody starts a trend and then other

people kind of take it on and do their

version of it. And I've been watching it

a lot. So check him out. Check out all

the original choreographers and dancers

um online uh who are making great stuff.

And um keep dancing, babe. Keep dancing.

Okay. Thanks. See you soon. Bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and

me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by

The Ringer and Paperkite. For The

Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Cat

Spalain, Kaia McMullen, and Alia

Xanerys. For Paperkite, production by

Sam Green, Joel Levelvel, and Jenna

Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy

Miles.