Transcript: Paul McCartney on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Oh, hi there everyone. Welcome to

another episode of Good Hang. Boy, we

have uh well, the most famous person in

this studio and probably the most famous

person I've ever met. Uh Sir Paul

McCartney. Paul McCartney is here, the

liver pudleen who was in the Beatles and

in Wings and in our lives for our whole

lives. And um we we're going to talk

about a lot of great things today. We're

going to talk about uh whether or not

Paul was taller than John. We're going

to talk about uh Paul's love of animals.

We're going to discuss what makes a

great breakfast and how many berries are

involved. And we are going to uh talk

about um Paul's new music, Boys of

Dungeon Lane, the the re-release um and

new songs that have just recently come

out. Um special edition. Uh we're going

to get into music in general. Of course,

it is Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney is

music. Um, before we do this, we always

like to speak to somebody who knows our

guest, uh, is a fan of our guest, or in

this case is the daughter of our guest.

And we are speaking today to Stella

McCartney. Stella McCartney, a huge

talent, fashion designer, incredible

creative mind, who is just so funny and

warm and witty and smart. and we got the

opportunity to talk to her and we're

going to see if Stella is going to give

us a good question for her dad. So

Stella,

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What do you say?

I wanted

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>> It is so good to talk to you. I'm sorry.

We were having some technical

difficulties.

>> Oh, no. That's good. We were having some

technical difficulties also.

>> Am I speaking to you in England?

>> Yes.

>> Hi, Stella.

>> Hi, Amy. I actually like you a lot.

Can't believe [laughter] it took this to

get us together.

>> I know. I've had the pleasure of being

invited and dressed by you, but I've

been I've had the chance to go to many

events where you have been um where

we've I've had like a very quick drive

by and every time I've gotten a chance

to spend time with you, I've really

wanted more because

I'm such a fan of you, your work, your

creativity, how you conduct yourself in

the world, and it's really, really nice

to talk to you today. Thank you for

talking to us.

>> Likewise. Wow, that was a bit serious.

That freaked me out.

>> Yeah, it got very serious.

>> Do that again. Never.

>> I know you Brits. You Brits, you can't.

One compliment and you guys get really

>> honestly I am nearly I vomited a tiny

bit in my mouth.

>> I know. Well, you know, get used to it.

>> I am great. I'll take it.

>> Are you in the middle of a of a a show

right now? Are we c What are we?

>> It's perfect timing. Thanks for that. I

have a show in about three days in

Paris. I'm not busy at all, Amy. So, you

know, with the time difference and

everything, it's perfect. It's

brilliant. I was kind of wondering what

I'd do tonight and this [laughter] just

filled filled a hole.

>> What I imagine is going through your

mind right now with three days to go,

but at 3 days to go before a show, what

is left to do? Is it everything?

>> Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, we we only started last night.

So, [laughter] I've got a lot of little

Actually, I've got children I'm using to

help stitch some things now. They're not

my own. [laughter] She jokes. She Jess.

Obviously, I'm a sustainable,

cruelty-free fashion brand.

>> You grew up on a farm, right?

>> I did.

>> What was it like to grow up on a farm?

What were your morning jobs? What did

you have to do in the morning?

>> Wow. Well, in Scotland with my siblings,

it was normally just self-entertainment.

I used to take rocks [snorts] and bang

them on, and I'm not joking. I used to

take rocks and I'd bang them on other

rocks. [laughter]

That's about it really. No, I we read a

lot of horse riding, but rocks on rocks.

>> Yeah. And did you have to Did you like I

I'm going to admit something. This is a

very like suburban city girl thing. I'm

going to admit, so you might think less

of me. I've never reached in under a hen

to get an egg.

>> Oh, I did it all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

And never particularly enjoyable. Not

really. One of my a little scary. I

would be a little afraid to get. Do you

have to ask the hen to move first or do

you

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. In fact,

>> not many people know this about me, but

I'm very good at impersonating chickens.

>> Really? Can we hear?

[laughter]

>> Really?

>> So, I'm quite good at I can converse

with a chicken amongst many other

things. Um I so I'm I'm bilingual in

that respect, but [laughter] I did have

to go out and get the eggs when I was

young.

>> Well, your parents um were like it just

seemed like they wanted so much to

create a beautiful like peaceful and

loving childhood for you. And you know,

it seemed like that's what they gave

you. And I'm talking to your dad today

and you've probably spent the entirety

of your life having people ask you

questions and talk to you about your

dad. And I I I I

wonder what it is like to have to kind

of share your parents with the world.

>> Yeah, it Yeah, it is quite weird. I

mean, I've only ever known that to be

honest. It's not like I've had another

sort of experience. That is my

experience. And it's

>> definitely trippy and weird and surreal.

But I think also I was brought up it was

very extremes. You know, we were on a

farm. It was just the six of us and we

were like in a tiny all in one room and

mom was cooking and dad was shearing

sheep and writing songs and then we were

on tour, you know, with like 200,000

people screaming at your parents.

>> Yeah. You all went on tour together.

>> Yeah.

>> How fun. How fun.

>> Yeah. I was kind of angry when I was 18

cuz I was building friendships and I was

kind of getting into the swing of my own

thing and I was like what really? We

have to go on a world tour. But it was

it's amazing. It's what it's actually

one of the most I think the biggest

privileges actually of being in my

situation is being able to just truly

see the world from you know from that

perspect just to travel and to see so

many different cultures and people and

and also it was all very much built from

love you know everything that my mom and

dad did was like came from a place of

love but I'm also not particularly like

a look at me type

>> if you would if you can believe it so

actually when I went for me going into

fashion was a more creative way of doing

things from just standing slightly

behind

>> the kind of spot. You know, I'm not an

entertainer.

[laughter]

>> She says,

>> imagine if I broke into song right now.

[laughter]

>> Well, we did hear a chicken impression

earlier. We did hear that impression.

>> Well, let me hear your chicken. What's

your animal? Go on. I'll give you I'll

be kind. What's your best animal?

>> I don't know. I don't know.

>> Shut up. Everyone knows their best

animal. Jesus. I do my best animal.

Okay, you know what? Okay, I'm going to

I'm going to try a cat for you.

>> Wait, is this the first time you've ever

impersonated a cat

>> in public? Yes.

>> Wow. Okay. Well, you're welcome,

viewers.

>> Yeah. And here's how I feel about cats.

They're fine. I don't love them. I don't

hate them, of course.

>> That's a cat at the door. Wait a minute.

>> All right. Here we go. Okay, GO.

MEOW.

The beginning was very good.

>> I think people are laughing cuz it's so

good. [laughter]

But you bring up something that I think

is very interesting. A lot of people

that have public facing jobs are

actually kind of secretly introverted.

People would probably be um surprised to

hear that you consider yourself at times

introverted. I mean I don't think I

wouldn't say I'm introverted. That's

going a little far. I'm just not I look

my example of an extrovert is a Paul

McCartney. So [laughter] it's not like

oh I'm an introvert. I mean I'm not

compared to him I'm an introvert. You

know I grew up with around SNL

comedians. So I you know some of those

as you know better than anything are

extrovert and others really aren't but

they're still performers.

>> Yeah. You know I I want to talk to your

dad about that because he's around SNL

all the time and he's basically

>> I can't get rid of him. I'm like again

really? Jesus. play hard to get a little

bit. [laughter]

I um I actually went to the one um the

end of last season. It was great. It was

really good fun with Will Farrell. So,

he had Will on. I was like, I am coming

because obviously and I saw Will on your

show. You guys were brilliant. Um and I

was like, "Dad," and on the way over

there, I was I was talking. I said,

"Dad, you please tell me you're going to

like get Will on to do the cowbell." And

he was like, "What cowbell?" I'm like,

"What?

>> What cow?" Like, you know the cowbell

sketch. Anyway, so then he did, but then

he got Will to do cowbell.

>> He did

>> again. You're welcome.

>> Thank you, Stella.

>> He didn't really give me credit, which

is [laughter] annoying.

>> Well, I mean, I want to talk to him

about Lauren and that relationship at

SNL because you're you're right. I mean,

he he was around a lot and their their

affection for each other is very sweet.

like they've you know I'm I mean

honestly you know there you get to a

point in life where you become you know

you're friends with people for 40 50 60

years and it there's so much history

there and it's really sweet to hear them

talk about each other

>> they are very very good old friends

actually I mean they do yoga you've

heard about yoga boys right

>> I like that you call them yoga boys

>> they're the yoga boys they call

themselves the yoga boys

honest to god actually know I must get

them t-shirts for Christmas yoga Yoga

boys. Not even yoga men. Yoga boys.

[gasps]

>> Yes. Cuz they're always learning.

They're in a they're in a beginner's

mind.

>> Childlike for sure.

>> So, um what is a question uh I should

ask him? Like anything like a story that

he would want to tell or um something

you still don't know about him or um

anything you think I should not talk to

him about. That's always helpful, too.

>> No, he's pretty he's pretty

approachable, I would say. Yeah. I mean,

I can think of things that you shouldn't

ask him, but you won't ask him those.

And if you do, it'll be hilarious to

watch. I just going to watch [laughter]

that unfold, quite frankly. Um, I've got

two questions. Am I allowed two

questions?

>> Yes, of course.

>> The first one I think is is um I guess I

just want to kind of start by saying,

you know, my dad

is truly a living legend. like he really

is an absolute icon. He's inspired so

many generations of so many people and

his impact on you know planet earth has

been just gigantic like he continues to

just give and give and give and I think

he does that through lyrics you know so

one thing before my question I just

wanted to read out some of my favorite

and like deep you know most meaningful

lyrics by him so [snorts]

so I sat in the attic a piano up my nose

And the wind played a dreadful canata.

Canata. Canata. Sore was I from a crack

of an enemy's hose and the horrible

sound of tomato. Tomato. Tomato.

Ketchup. Ketchup. Soup and puree. Soup

and puree. Don't get left behind. Don't

get left behind. Ketchup. [laughter]

Ketchup. Soup and puree. Soup and puree.

Don't get left behind. Now it continues.

It continues if you want a little more.

My piano was boldly outspoken in

attempts to repeat his refrain. So I

stood with a knot in my stomach and I

gazed at that terrible sight of two

youngsters concealed in a barrel smoking

Monk Berry Moon Delight.

So my first question I think for my

father is,

have you ever smoked monkberry moon

delight? And what is it?

>> Fantastic question.

>> It's from my favorite album

>> from Ram,

>> which actually is my mom and dad. Yeah,

I think my mom shared in those lyrics

actually. I think she can take a bit of

credit there, too. [laughter] Um, it's

called Monk Berry Moon Delight.

>> Great.

>> And it it does go on and in fact,

there's a bit about cats and kittens

there. And it's it's a good one. So,

that's probably my first question. Has

he ever smoked Monk Berry Moon Delight?

And what the [laughter] do those

lyrics mean?

So that's my first question.

>> Okay, great.

>> What is that about? My other question,

which is serious, which actually I asked

my dad this the other day and I and I

want to see how he answers it to you cuz

I was really surprised by the answer.

Like really surprised. And so this is my

gift to you, this question, which is

what is your first memory, Dad?

>> Ah, beautiful.

>> And I really want to know what he

answers to you cuz I was like, wow,

that's great. What a great question to

ask someone. I think your dad will be

very happy that we talked because I hope

he feels like I've gotten some good

advice.

>> I love that you asked me. It was a sweet

I feel very honored. Like on a serious

seriously I feel very very honored that

you asked me because you let's face it,

you could have asked anyone to ask Paul

McCartney a question and everyone would

have said yes. Actually that's amazing

you asked me Amy. Thank you.

>> Of course. Thank you for doing it and

we'd love to get you into the stew. I

have not had a designer and I feel like

I would

>> I'll come.

>> Okay, great. Good.

>> And good luck with dad. I hope those

questions are okay.

>> They're perfect.

>> Well, much love to you, darling, and

take care.

>> Thank you for having me.

>> Thanks so much for doing it. Bye,

Stella. Great to see you. Thanks again.

>> Bye. Bye, honey.

>> Thank you.

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>> Hi Paul.

>> Hey Amy.

>> Do you get this a lot where people are

kind of nervous around you and you feel

the energy and you have to figure out

how to make them feel less nervous? Like

that must be a thing you're used to.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you have a trick?

>> Exactly. Yeah. Uh trick I don't know.

Just to kind of be normal.

>> Yeah.

>> Um you know I was lucky. I was one of

those guys I grew up with a kind of very

normal family.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's one of those families

where you get past the baby.

>> Yeah.

>> And [laughter] so whereas I know some

people when they grow up like and they

have a baby, they're like really scared

of it. It's [laughter] like, oh no. You

know,

>> so so that I think I just use that.

>> It's so funny you say that because of

the many things I want to talk to you

about today, you seem very comfortable

around babies. Yeah, I I think so

>> because that iconic photo of you, I

think with Mary and your jacket, but

that was so ahead of its time. Like you

a man carrying a baby. You just never

>> never saw it.

>> I mean, that was just how we used to do

it, you know. I used to go riding with

her like that.

>> Yeah.

>> On the horse. But um [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, the 70s.

>> Well, she's now a mother of four boys.

>> Oh, man. She's busy. that little baby in

my jacket.

>> Okay. Well, Pomegrart is here. You have

such a wild life and timeline that is

kind of like intimidating to talk to you

for just an hour and a half. So, if

you'll bear with me, I'll probably jump

around a lot.

>> Mhm.

>> Okay. And the reason why is cuz I have

this theory that you're a bit of a time

traveler, I think.

>> Do you believe in time travel?

>> No.

>> Oh, [clears throat] well, then forget my

theory. A little bit. I feel like

sometimes I wasn't the age that I was. I

felt older or younger.

>> You can see someone about that.

[laughter]

>> Hey me, this people to talk to.

[laughter]

>> No. No. And I kind of know what you

mean.

>> Yeah. Like I mean I felt like I feel

like you're I don't know. You seem you

seemed when you were young that you were

older.

>> Yeah.

>> If that makes any sense.

>> No, it does really. And I used to look

at the lyrics of yesterday. I'm not half

the man I used to be. Suddenly I'm not

half the man I used to be. Well, I was

like 21. So half the man would put me at

like about [laughter] 10 and a half.

>> You were writing When I'm 64 when you

were 20 something.

>> Yeah.

>> And you and you, you know, were

considered retired at 27 when the be

like I guess I'm I'm interested in this

idea of do you feel like you're an a do

you feel like there's an age that you

are? Like do you feel like there's an

age you feel?

>> I kind of I think like a lot of people I

mean you you sort of feel like you stop

at about 25.

>> Yeah.

>> So I'm 25.

>> Yeah.

>> In my head.

>> Yeah.

>> You know then I look in the mirror go.

No you're not.

>> Yeah. Me too. I feel

>> old. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> But uh yeah know

I like that. I mean, we we in the

Beatles, we used to have this sort of

thing whenever there was like a question

about a piece of music or something to

do or they would go on tour or whatever

and we couldn't figure out the answer,

we'd say, "What would we have thought

when we were 17?

>> What would that guy have said? We're not

doing it." You know, cuz that guy

wouldn't have let us do it.

>> Yes.

>> And as we grow up, we kind of go, "Okay,

we'll do it." But it was better to

listen to the 17-year-old

>> because that 17-year-old was more

definitive, like more like yes and no,

like more black and white.

>> I think it was just more sensible and

and less um you know, less jaded by the

world.

>> Yeah.

>> He kind of say [clears throat] that's a

terrible jacket.

>> Yeah. you know, whereas I would kind of,

you know, later or maybe now, I sort of

said, "Yeah, it's nice jacket or lying

through my teeth."

>> Totally. I

>> We wouldn't do that.

>> You're right. Because I think we give uh

a lot of like credence to the fact that

when you get older, you get very wise

and you have all this experience. But

you're right, we do forget the like

strong, truthful opinions that we have

when we're young.

>> Yeah. I mean, I've I still kind of can't

believe, Paul, that the Beatles broke up

when you were 27. You were only together

for eight years. You made 13 albums.

Those numbers are are just really wild.

It felt like when you were making music

as a young person, it was like you you

knew you were only going to be making

music with this band for that long is

how it felt.

>> Yeah. I don't think we knew it, but I

think we we didn't expect to to go on

for long,

>> right?

>> Because uh people didn't,

>> right?

>> You know, in this sort of rock and roll

world.

>> Yeah.

>> It was like, you know, five years top

whack.

>> Yeah.

>> Um but then after 5 years it was like,

oh no, we we've done we're doing

Sergeant Pepper.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. We could probably keep going.

>> Yeah.

>> And then, you know, we sort of do the

White Album or whatever. Yeah.

>> And then I did Wings and kept going.

>> Yeah. And and and it is really

interesting to talk to you because

you're somebody that people feel like

they know a lot about

>> and they feel, you know, you have been

in their lives in a million different

ways. I know you've been in mine my

whole life. And in many ways, Paul, you

kind of represent music like you

represent songs like if uh songs were a

person. Um, and we had to go, if we had

to go into space and we had to bring one

person to represent songs [laughter]

to the aliens, we would push you to the

front.

>> Yeah. Here [laughter] he is.

Uh, well, thank you. [laughter]

>> When are we leaving?

>> Yeah, exactly. Let's go.

>> Um, okay. So, um, I loved Morgan

Neville's doc, Man on the Run.

>> Yeah.

>> A beautiful dock.

>> Yeah.

>> Did you like it?

>> Yeah, I do. Yeah. I mean, when when he

showed it to me first off, um I said,

"There's a few embarrassing bits.

>> Should we take them out?"

>> Fun. What was embarrassing?

>> I didn't realized that the farm we lived

on was like so run down. [laughter]

>> It's a tip. You know, we were in love

and we had a new baby and it was all

great and I was, you know, I could fix

it up. No problem. I'll make a table.

>> You know, it was that kind of thing. So,

I didn't notice. When you see it in the

film, it's like you lived there.

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> And you had some money.

>> You chose to live in that.

>> Um, so that was a little bit

embarrassing.

I don't know. Sometimes, I don't know

about you, sometimes I don't I don't

bother to think things through too

seriously.

>> Well, that is always what we learn about

you. There's there's so many things that

I appreciate about you as an artist. One

is you have a sense of humor about

yourself and your work,

>> which is a sign not only of

intelligence, but it just it allows us

to enjoy it in many different kinds of

ways, which is so nice. And also, you

really let us into your process. You

know, a lot of people like to keep

people out of process because it keeps

them mysterious or something.

>> And I always felt like watching you work

made me feel like I could write a song.

It always made me feel connected to

music.

>> Um, and that documentary does that. It

shows process. Peter Jackson's

documentary like the idea of process.

And I love what you say about your work

when asked if you were a workaholic or

you consider yourself one. You say,

"Well, you don't work music." What What

do you say when response to that?

>> You know, that's right. You know, people

say, "You work a lot. You know, you're

always working." I said, "I'm not." you

know, and I I I thought one day, well,

we don't work music, we play music, so

I'm like a player holic.

I'm definitely addicted to that.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, cuz I'm sure it's the same for

you. Uh I feel very lucky that this is

my job.

>> Yes.

>> You know, cuz when I uh left school, my

like my first job was coil winding in a

factory. Okay, that sounds hot and hard.

[laughter]

>> So, what did you have to do?

>> Our rugged.

Our rugged. Um,

>> what do you have to do? Literally wind

coil.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

So, what you have, you have a big sort

of um wheel with coil wire on it. comes

through your legs and you put it on like

an armature thing and keep winding it

and it it's like a thing they having

motors.

>> Mhm.

>> And uh mine weren't very good.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, but he the idea was they were

going to take me through all the things

and then I'd be manager. But one day uh

John and George showed up and uh

[laughter]

and one of the guys in the factory said,

"There's some guys out there. you don't

want to see you like you know. So I I

went out and they said we've got a gig.

>> We've got a gig at the cabin.

>> Yeah.

>> So I said I don't know. Let me think

about it.

>> You looked at the coils.

>> Let me think. I looked at the coils. I

looked at the pay packet.

>> Yeah.

>> £7.15 a week.

>> Mhm.

>> God. And I can't believe I actually

questioned it, but I did.

>> I said, "I'll get back to you."

>> Um Yeah. And and I did. and it gave up a

career in coil wind management.

[laughter]

>> You would have been the coil winding

representative that we showed to the

aliens if you had stuck with it.

[laughter]

>> Coil winding king.

>> George was how many years younger than

you Paul?

>> I think like about one and a half and I

was one and a half years younger than

John.

>> Yeah. Did you feel I mean when you're

when we're older that means nothing but

when we're young

>> it's really important. M

>> did you feel like the middle child or

the younger brother to John? And did

George feel like a younger brother to

you?

>> Yeah, I I thought of George as younger,

but he was so uh cocky.

>> Yeah,

>> he was, you know, you you couldn't put

George down. So, yeah,

>> he made himself older just by being very

confident and like, you know,

>> who is the tallest?

>> We were all the same height.

>> I know. Are you really tall?

>> You know, I've got to think about that,

do you?

>> No. Well, tell me more.

>> Oh my god. [laughter]

>> Well, we were all the same height and

Ringo was a bit smaller.

>> Sure.

>> Um, and if you look at photos, we we're

all the same height, but uh Sam Taylor

Wood did a film called No Were Boy.

>> Mhm.

>> And um the John character who she later

married Aaron.

>> Right. Right. Aaron Taylor Johnson.

>> Yeah. He's bigger than me in the film.

My character is kind of wimpy,

[laughter]

smaller than John. John knocks me to the

floor.

>> Mhm.

>> And it's like, Sam, this is not true.

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> And her only explanation,

bless her, cuz she's she's still a good

friend, you know. She said, um, this is

a movie. It's not a documentary. Mhm.

>> I thought well I don't like that

explanation

>> but I couldn't do anything because she

now by now she'd made the film.

[laughter]

>> Um I never there was I little Paul you

know [laughter]

>> John the great big hero and it's like no

>> I can't imagine what it's like to have

people play you. I mean it must be so

strange. I mean it's happening again.

There's another film Paul the Great Paul

Mezcll is playing you based on your

life. Obviously not

>> taken directly from your life, but

>> it must be strange to have people play

you.

>> Yeah, it is. It is.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and guess what? He's smaller than the

guy who plays John. [laughter]

>> Oh,

>> I said how Sam Mendes is making the

>> Yeah. [laughter] I said, "Sam, I've got

just one thing that I need to say to

you. [laughter]

You know, Paul's a bit small at least."

Oh, so [laughter] I don't know how Sam's

going to deal with it, but he he sent me

a picture, a still from what the filming

they were doing, and they're crossing

the Abbey Road crossing.

>> Yeah, I saw that, too.

>> And the pole actor is marketkedly

smaller [laughter]

>> and you can't put lifts on that bare

feet. That's true. Maybe that's what it

was. So I I texted him, "Sam, [laughter]

smaller,

don't do this. You said you wouldn't do

it." He said, "No, it's okay. It's just

a stride pattern." And he sent me

another one [laughter] where he's going

to smush them.

>> They were equal.

But I guess the way in which you guys

laughed at your competitive nature, we

all as Americans especially, we love

because we we love that's what families

do, I guess, is what I'm trying to say

is families tease

>> and they can kind of come at each other

in ways that other people can't. And

that always felt like the relationship

you had with all of and and that you

have with with with them still.

>> Yeah. You know, I mean, the good thing

was we we grew up together, so there was

like a family aspect. Um, me and George

went to the same school.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, and I'm John went to the art college

next door. So,

>> so we all kind of And you know, it took

years for us to kind of get any fame.

>> Mhm. So we were out in Hamburg sleing

around playing um

you know at not very nice little clubs.

>> Yeah.

>> We enjoyed it.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz we were young kids in Hamburg. You

know this. Wow. I we'd never been abroad

>> before, you know. So that was like

>> But um

>> Yeah. So that that when you know each

other that well and you've been together

that long, it does become like a family.

Mhm.

>> So then that finds its way into your

writing and your work, you know,

>> that I can tell what he's thinking

>> or I can tell him that I didn't like

that line.

>> Yeah.

>> Or he can tell me

>> that sucks.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, and uh so that's very good as

you know for for writing.

>> Well, we're and we're back to that

17-year-old like very blunt way of

saying this is good, this is bad, you

shouldn't wear that, like all that

stuff. I mean, and I and I'm sure you

know that as you get any level of

success, sometimes people are afraid to

give you real feedback.

>> Yeah. That's a danger now. You know,

people all say to me when I'm working

with a producer,

>> they say, "Does he tell you if it's no

good?"

>> Yeah.

>> And I'm not sure.

>> Right. How could you know?

>> Maybe he doesn't. [laughter]

Um, I know I think you find people who

who will tell you and stuff, but it must

be hard for them.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, I think so.

>> Cuz you you've got such a reputation.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Um, you know, to tell you a joke isn't

funny.

>> Would scare me.

>> It should. Good.

>> Cuz it should. [laughter]

>> Good.

>> That wasn't funny.

It should. [laughter]

>> Yeah, I know what you mean. But you know

what? I'm so I'm always so uh impressed

by so many things that you do, Paul, but

one of them is the idea of continuing

like on to the next like what is the

next adventure like

>> you know [clears throat] you you're

always looking creatively especially for

ways to just continue to be inspired and

to continue to work together. You have a

new record, Boys of Dungeon Lane.

>> You want to hear about it?

>> Yeah, I do. I'm fascinated by your

process of how you make music, how you

write songs. Uh, I think the good thing

is I'm fascinated, too. I don't know. I

I do a class in my old school that me

and George went to in Liverpool.

>> Um, it's called Liper and I go there

every year and uh do a class with the

songwriting students and the first thing

I say to them when they come in

oneon-one. So, it's terrifying

>> for them.

>> Yeah. you know.

>> Oh, they come in oneonone

with a [laughter] guitar or a little

piece of

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> And I say I said, "Come and sit down." I

say, "I'm going to say this. I don't

know how to do this. You know, I'm I

know I'm teaching you.

>> I've no idea how you do it. Uh because

your song's going to be different from

mine and stuff." Then we work it through

and they'll play me one of their songs

>> and then I will sort of say um that's

very good or how about that second verse

maybe good as an opening verse

>> because I think it's a bit stronger.

>> So I just take them through sort of

gentle hints. Well, mainly they're by

the time they get to me they're they're

pretty good. you know, they've done

three years and um I don't know how to

do it. That's the point.

>> And I don't want to know.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, um I always just sit down with

a guitar or at the piano and just start

plunking something

>> and um if I find something that sounds

good, I just follow that.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad.

where could it go next? Well, it could

stay there, you know, all that stuff.

>> Cuz and then you you learn in yourself.

>> Um the natural thing to do is you move

through the chords.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, um or you can tell yourself,

"No, don't move.

Stay there." you know, and there's all

sorts of tricks, but you [clears throat]

that you can use and there's so many

little tricks like that. It just makes

it fun for me. And then if you get a

good opening line,

>> that's a great thing cuz you kind of

then know where you're going, you know?

M

>> and on Dungeon Lane there's a there's a

song um called Days We Left Behind

>> which is special for me and I knew I had

uh I had had something when I

it was it was looking back I'm I'm

thinking about looking back at

photographs of the past. So, you could

say looking back at black and white

photos, but I I knew it was good when I

said it. He said modestly. I said, um,

looking back at white and black.

>> So, I just the fact that I'd switched it

was not a black and white photo anymore.

It's a it's a white and black.

>> So, I and obviously it rhymes. So,

looking back at white and black

reminders of the past or whatever, I

just thought, "Oh, okay."

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, you're looking at photos

and and you go there

just let's see what you remember,

>> you know.

>> Yeah.

>> And u and it's nice. I I have a lot of

good memories.

>> When you hear a song that you've

written, you've written so many. Do you

remember the making of that song when

you hear it? Do you remember the writing

of it? Do you know? Like

>> Yeah. Um a lot of the time I do. Yeah.

>> Yeah. the process of making it when you

hear it

>> a lot of the time. Um sometimes though

it is crazy because they have a Beatles

channel on Sirius.

>> Yes.

>> And um my if I'm, you know, hiring a

car, my driver will like he knows to

have it on. [laughter]

Yeah. Oh. Uh,

that's [laughter] a good chance.

But normally it's quite quiet so you can

talk and things and then I'll hear

something.

>> Yeah.

>> And say, "Oh, wait a minute. Turn this

one up." And talking about remembering

writing the song, he turned one up cuz I

couldn't remember the what the title

was. I thought, "What's this one?" And

then he played. I couldn't even remember

the song.

>> Yeah. It had just come and gone so fast.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, so yeah, I don't always remember

them, but a lot of them I I do I have uh

pretty strong memories of

Yeah. Like Mullik, a wing song that was

was very successful. Bad bag pipe.

>> I loved seeing that in the dock making

that like watching you make that song.

and also in the doc learning about the

how how wings came together and your

intention behind bringing people

together which was really interesting

and and and for me it was the first time

I heard you speak about how important it

was for you to feel like part of a group

like you like being around people

>> and you like being part of a group an

ensemble.

>> Yeah.

>> What do you like about it? Um just the

companionship, just the friendship uh

and the other opinion.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, having another opinion in the

room kind of another

>> uh I like that.

>> Um I think mainly just playing together.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's like kids in

kindergarten.

>> Yeah. The play, the word play is back

again. Like do you have a pre-show

ritual? Do you do anything always? Like

do you

>> not eat two hours before the show? Do

you

>> Yeah, I don't

>> have a superstition.

>> Uh, not really. I do have a ritual.

>> What is it? Would you tell us what it

is?

>> What is it? Okay. Yeah.

>> Okay. Here we go.

>> Well, I don't eat, you know. I have like

lunch.

>> Let's even back up further. What time

are you going to bed? The night before.

>> The night before? I don't know. Random.

It doesn't matter. [laughter]

>> You musicians with your bedtime.

>> We're just a crazy bunch.

>> Just a crazy bunch. No, I don't I don't

think about that. That's normally I mean

it's normally not too late. Okay. It's

not too crazy. Probably if it was 6:00

in the morning we'd gone right through.

I probably would worry a bit.

>> Yeah.

>> But no, it's just kind of normal bedtime

then.

>> And um yeah, I get up. I just have my

breakfast.

>> What's your breakfast?

>> Breakfast.

>> How do you take your teeth?

>> It is uh it's really kind of boring cuz

it's always the same. It's like cereal.

>> Mhm. Bit of cereal. Not too much, just a

little bit.

[laughter]

>> Berries.

>> Yeah, that's the superfood.

>> Berries.

>> You got to bury it up.

>> Five raspberries.

>> Whoa.

>> Got to be five. Looks good. Don't

in the middle. [laughter]

>> Handful of blueberries.

>> Oh yeah.

>> The blueberries are just

>> tuck them in. [laughter]

and a strawberry

>> which I cut up.

>> Uhhuh. Meditative.

>> Are we really doing this?

>> We're going to do another hour of this.

>> This is great. Recipe breakfast. Coffee

or tea?

>> No. In the morning, uh, it's just water.

>> No caffeine?

>> No, I'm not a big coffee person. I

really Yeah. No, I'm English.

>> But the tea all day long. A lot of a lot

of people, you know, my kids drink

coffee

>> quite a lot. Um I will have like one

coffee in the middle of the day some

sometime often.

>> Um yeah, so that's my breakfast. Add a

few peacans and a few raisins

>> if you want to party.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

And then there's a very specific lunch.

>> Okay, let's hear it.

>> Gig lunch.

>> Oh, a gig Oh, yeah. A gig lunch.

>> No, it's gig day lunch.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um

>> but because I mean being on stage I I've

talked to a lot of performers who just

being in in front of an audience is so

physical

>> and you have been on stage for most of

your adult life in all different stages

with different types of people and in

different shows.

>> What is what's the thing now that you're

loving about being on stage? Like what

what does it look like to be on stage

now? I mean for example we've got like

Bruce still doing three-hour shows. We

have Taylor Swift doing three-hour show.

It's like a lot of expectation for

people to do long shows.

>> I know. I blame him. [laughter] I've

told him.

>> I know.

>> I said it's your bloody fault, mate. I

know.

>> We used to do like an hour. [laughter]

>> Stones still do something like an hour

or so.

>> Yeah.

>> Old school.

>> But um No, Bruce just suddenly doing

these three fourhour things. So that's

what we do.

>> You do. I know.

>> You know what I love though? the

audience.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what it's all about.

>> Yeah.

>> That uh and my audiences, Touchwood, um

are very loving.

>> They It's so It's so warm.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, they're just so cool and all

ages.

>> That's the amazing thing. I always

expected them to be my age or slightly

younger or whatever. Um but it's not

like that. There's a lot of young kids.

>> Yeah.

>> And

>> well, you're every favorite artist's

favorite artist.

>> Wow.

>> You are. And and and is there any music

right now that you listen to and you

think I wish I wrote that?

>> Um

no.

[laughter]

>> Uh very good.

>> No, not not really. There are some

people that I think are really good. Um,

you know, like Billy Isish I think is

cool, but I don't think I want to have

written her songs.

>> Right.

>> And also a lot of songs these days are

breakup songs.

>> Yeah.

>> And I'm married,

>> right? [laughter]

>> You're in love with a beautiful woman

and

>> you're in love with a beautiful woman

and you have a fantastic breakfast.

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um, that's true. No. So, uh,

no, I don't think there there used to be

songs like I used to want to have

written, um, one of Billy Joel's songs,

The Way You Are.

>> Yeah.

>> I always thought that was like kind of

thing I could have written.

>> Yeah,

>> I think that's a nice song. Nowadays

it's uh I'll tell you what some some of

them are like

um very uh banal.

>> Yeah.

>> I want your

[laughter]

I want it.

This [laughter] could be a hit. And then

you got But you then you got to do the

moves and

>> you got to do the Tik Tok dance with it.

Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]

this from the this from the man that

gave us She loves you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, I mean, do protest. [laughter]

>> Um I I bet you've been able to

collaborate with mostly everybody that

you've wanted to collaborate at some

point. Is there anybody that you still

wish to collaborate with?

>> Um no. I asked this question and I

always think Bob Dylan.

>> Yeah.

>> But I'm too nervous.

>> Yeah. to ring him up.

>> Bob. [laughter]

>> But it is Paul.

>> Yeah.

>> I can't even picture him being on the

telephone. Bob,

>> no. [laughter]

>> I can't actually picture him using

>> some bush.

>> Yeah, he's in a bush. Exactly.

>> He's writing in a journal.

>> In a sleeping bag, maybe. [laughter]

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Who was the first famous person that you

met?

>> Um, [sighs] first famous person

>> when you were young starting out. Who is

you know remember did you meet someone

who you wanted their autograph or you

were blown away that you knew that they

were a famous person?

>> The queen.

>> Whoa. [laughter]

>> And that's an autograph you're not going

to get.

>> Now she's great. I love the queen.

>> I love the queen, too.

>> I I really Well, you know what happened

was she she was crowned. [laughter]

>> She she's a doll. She was crowned um

when I was 11.

>> So, and she was a babe.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, when I was 11, she was like 23

or something, you know. So, we all used

to think, "Wow, this is amazing." You

know like

>> you know, having a king, she's got this

>> girl.

>> Yeah.

>> This babe. So, we kind of liked her in

other ways than we shouldn't have liked

her.

>> Right. [laughter]

>> You know what I mean?

>> Right. Right. So, yeah. So, so meeting

her was special.

>> How old were you when you met her?

>> Um, probably about 21 or something.

>> Yeah. Wow.

>> Nancy, my wife now, she says she fancied

you.

>> Now, there's no knowing if there's any

truth to that.

>> Well, you know, women just the way Yeah,

let's say it's true.

>> I like to think it's true.

>> And I think she would, not to speak for

the queen, but I will. [laughter]

>> I would think she would enjoy Nancy

saying that. I think she would she would

get a laugh out of that. Like she would

enjoy that.

>> Well, she was a laugh. That's what I one

of the things I liked about it. She was

had a good sense of humor.

>> And uh yeah, I was I was very happy that

um you know sometimes you don't get the

queen if you're getting an honor.

>> Yeah.

>> Like you're getting a knighthood.

>> You don't always get the queen. I was

very lucky. I got the queen all the

time. And um

>> she made sure she was there.

>> Wow. Oh, well that's what N

>> She looked at her She looked at Nance

nose. She looked at her planner and she

was like, "Mhm. 2:00. I'm going to make

myself available.

>> I'll do him. [laughter]

>> I'm going to put the sword. I'll do the

sword thing." That's what she said.

>> The sword was Edward the Confessor.

>> The name of the sword.

>> Yeah. I mean, British history, there was

a king called Edward the Confessor.

[laughter]

>> Wow.

>> At least it wasn't Ethel Red the

Unready.

But talk about again like time travel

which you don't believe in but I believe

in for you. But you're 21, you meet the

queen just speed, you know, however many

years later and you're getting nighted

by her.

>> Such a wild life.

>> Yeah, I know. I know. [laughter]

>> No, really. Um

>> Wow.

>> And believe me, I I I agree with that.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, life itself anyway for for most

people is wild.

>> Yes. Life is wild no matter what.

>> My particular kind of [laughter] life

>> Yeah.

>> has been very wild up to this point and

continues to be wild. Look at me here.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm doing your show.

>> It's like the queen. It's like being

with the queen. [laughter]

>> Not It's not quite queen level.

>> No, not quite yet. Not quite.

>> It's very impressive. [laughter]

also

and then I'll and then I'll move off of

this this theme that I'm very clumsily

trying to to connect but

what I also I love about your work

Chrissy Hind says this in in the

documentary about you um what can we

just talk about Chrissy Hind for a

second

>> I love Chrissy

she's a dude

>> tell me how you met Chrissy you and

Linda were really good friends with

Chrissy

>> tell us how you met Chrissy Hind what

recording studio in London where um Air

London it was called and there were a

lot of studios so you meet the people

who were in the other studios you know

>> and she was just walking down the

corridor and she was very moody with her

hair down and sort of wouldn't look at

you you know

>> but uh Linda was

didn't you know do that she would

approach you

>> hi how you doing

>> and they got talking and and uh so we

met her and and Chrissy stopped being so

moody and just talked to us and and we

had a lot of stuff in common.

>> She's like a crazy vegetarian.

>> Yes.

>> So we had that in common and Linda was

very outspoken

on on that subject. Um to the point

where

uh if it hadn't been her, it would have

been

embarrassing.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, if you're at a dinner party

>> and someone's eating meat,

>> she would like give them trouble.

>> Yeah.

>> Over it, you know. You know what you're

eating.

>> Yeah. Well, I know. You know, but

>> which mommy loved it. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> A ahead of her time.

A very ahead. you were both ahead of

>> Yeah. She had this kind of Disneyesque

view of animals.

>> So the um

if if we saw like a frog in in a garden

or something, she'd pick it up.

>> And you know, not every girl would

>> Yeah. you. So, she'd pick it up and the

way it's getting emotional, but the way

she would hold it

>> um it wouldn't hurt it.

[panting]

[gasps]

>> Um

and yeah, so she [laughter]

>> beautiful

>> and she would say, you know, it's mommy

loved it and even it's a frog.

>> Yeah.

>> She was like a Disney frog.

>> Yeah.

>> To her. I loved learning more about you

and Linda in that documentary. I loved

watching you you two work together and

be together. It's it was really a

testament to just what

respectful beautiful mutual love looks

like.

>> Yeah,

she was she was something else.

>> Yeah.

>> A tough tough lady.

>> Yeah. Look, I have good hang tissues.

>> Thank you, ma'am. [snorts] Yeah. Um, I

want to talk about your family life. Um,

and just how family is important to you

because I'm have the pleasure and

privilege of getting to know some of

your family. Um, but as we move off the

Beatles, although we never will, but as

we move off the Beatles for this

conversation,

what is your relationship now like with

George and John and Ringo? Some are

here, some are not. But relationships,

as we know with Linda, like people that

with your mom, people that you lose,

they're always with you. They just your

relationship changes with them.

>> What is your relationship now like with

those men?

>> Um, I'm a fan,

>> you know, and the more we go on, I'm a

bigger fan. I'm like a Beatles fan, you

know. Um just cuz like I say, you know,

I'll just hear something that we did uh

and I'll remember writing it with John

and think, "Wow, I was really lucky."

>> You know, this is amazing. I'm sitting

down with writing with someone and he

happens to be John Lennon.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and I think the same for him with me.

He's sitting down and the guy who's

talking about his work is me. Um, so

yeah, so I'm I'm a fan. Um,

and uh, you know, I I think I'd become

more of a fan

>> the more I think about them. And uh,

yeah, you know, George, for instance,

how I met George was on the school bus.

I used to get on one stop, these big

double-decker green buses. Um we it was

about a halfhour journey into from where

we lived to the school. So I would get

on at one stop and then the next stop

George would get on and we wore the same

school uniform so we we kind of could

relate some way.

>> And sometimes we sit next to each other

and uh we talk about guitars and rock

and roll. It's in one of the songs on

the the Dungeon Lane album actually.

>> Oh really?

>> Yeah. There's one song called Down South

and it's uh it's it's about how we met

on, you know, the school bus and we

talked about rock and roll and guitars

and all that sort of stuff. Um so that

was great. You know, we became friends

over that and then when uh we were

looking for another guitar player, John

was kind of interested in getting

another guy in. I put George up and I

sort of said, I got this little mate,

you know,

>> he's little, he wasn't physically

little, but he's young,

>> you know, and that could be a problem.

>> But, uh, it wasn't a problem and he

played great guitar. John was so

impressed and so George joins the group.

So, that was that period. But then look

at that George's life.

>> Mhm.

>> And how he grew.

>> Yeah. And my gosh, you know, I became

spiritual.

Um,

was it was pretty amazing.

>> Do you have a spiritual practice, Paul?

Do you feel like you're a spiritual

person?

>> Um, I don't have like a practice so

much. I meditate.

>> Um,

and no, I sort of believe in a in a

power. I don't know what he or she is,

but I know there's something there and

I'd feel. Um, and I often do that thing.

You know, the secret.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I got really into that for a minute.

>> Yeah. Well, I'm still [laughter] still

into

>> I mean, you you probably were on my

vision board and here I am talking.

>> I I just know the simple version.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But Paul, we feel that in

your art like that the idea that you're

tuning into a channel like an open

channel and it's not optimism which it

kind of flattens it out. It's just the

idea of like there's possibilities. You

got to keep yourself open to

possibilities.

>> Yeah.

>> I feel that way when you talk about your

work and I do feel that way when you

talk about your family like you family

was so important to you

>> building one whether it be with people

you're playing with with the people in

your life. Like I I I love that you've

let us into how the you know you believe

in love. Like you you

>> I do

>> you do believe in love and and you and

you can tell by how you live your life.

And congratulations to you and Linda for

raising great kids. Really talented,

kind, funny kids.

>> Uh really great children.

>> Thank you. Yeah. No, they are great. you

know, it's important to me. And the

thing is, you know, I'm not really that

different from a lot of dads. There's a

lot of people out there. I mean, okay,

there's the there's the the people,

>> but you also choose very strong women.

>> Yeah.

>> You like you like strong, independent

women.

>> Yeah. [clears throat]

>> That's not always the case with men that

are as successful and talented and

powerful as yourself. That's not always

the case. sometimes they they don't like

to be challenged in that way.

>> It's funny. I I don't think of it like

that, but it is true.

>> Um yeah, I like someone who's got a

strong opinion.

>> Well, we spoke to somebody who has a

strong opinion. Um because we always do

this thing on our podcast where we speak

to somebody who knows our guest and who

wants to give me a question to ask uh uh

my guest. And I we could have spoken to

so many people, but I really wanted to

speak to Stella.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Tell us about Stella.

>> Stella's a pistol.

>> She [laughter] is.

>> Linda had had Mary.

>> Yeah.

>> And that was straightforward. And so

then uh Linda was pregnant again with

Stella and um

went to the hospital for for to be born.

And then suddenly there was like a thing

going on um where the doctors it's a

thing called placenta preview.

>> Oh yes of course you know about that.

Yeah. It can be very dangerous.

>> And the doctor said so we're going to

have to do a C-section you know

cesarian.

>> So he's like oh okay. So um he did it

and it was successful and it worked but

it meant that Stella had to be in an

incubator.

>> Yeah.

>> And she was little. H

>> and uh so I would go down a couple of

floors to where the incubator unit was

and I would see our baby and um then go

back up and report to Linda, you know,

and um it was amazing cuz so Stella did

a little movement

[laughter]

>> and it was exactly like Linda,

>> but she didn't know Linda yet.

>> Yeah. Wild. She hadn't she hadn't uh

learned any tricks. So it was really

just you know a natural thing. So I got

running back up. I said Stella just did

that thing and I know that thing from

you you know.

>> Yeah.

>> So uh Wow.

>> And so Stella we talk about it quite a

bit though. Well, Stella's question for

me to ask you,

>> which is amazing that you're telling

this story, Paul, because

>> she said, "Ask my dad what his what his

first memory was." We spoke about it the

other day, and I and he remembered his

first memory. Because Stella shared that

she thinks one of her first memories was

being in an incubator.

>> Yeah. She can feel like and I know a lot

of people have memories of when they

were born or feel like they do and how

you come into the world can really in

some ways define your life's path. You

can become like a fighter or a survivor

or you want to be more sleepy and

peaceful whatever is the way that you

come into the world. But she shared that

as her first memory and the question she

wanted me to ask you was what was yours?

>> Yeah. Um, you know, these things you

don't know if you've made it up.

>> Yeah, sure.

>> Or or if it's But I I have this feeling

that I kind of remember being born.

>> I was born in a place in Liverpool

called Walton Hospital, which was a real

old Victorian thing. I I think it had

been something else before a hospital.

Uh, so I I kind of remember white tiles,

very sort of hygienic white tiles and um

chrome instruments

>> and a clanging

uh because I was a forceps birth. I they

had to pull me out.

>> Me too. I was a forceps. Were you?

>> Yeah. I had dents in my head.

>> Give it up for people.

>> Yeah. They had to yank me out. I

wouldn't come out.

>> Yeah. It was too good in there.

[laughter]

>> You know, this is okay. I'm getting fed

>> totally. And then all of a sudden,

something came in there and clamped your

head.

>> Yeah.

>> And yanked you out. [laughter]

>> And I I came I love that you were too.

>> Yeah, I was.

>> Uh yeah. So I sort of think I remember

that.

>> How funny. That's

>> I don't know if it's true.

>> The other question that she had was,

"What is Monk Berry Moon Delight and

have you smoked it? [laughter]

And where were you on when you wrote

that song?

>> I probably was on something that I

[laughter] smoked. But um No, when when

the kids were little, you know how kids

don't always can't pronounce certain

words.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, the word for milk was monk.

>> You know, can I have can I have daddy?

Can I have some monk? [snorts] Um so

that was milk. So I was thinking of a

milkshake.

So it was like milk berry monk berry

moon. So it's the name of a milkshake in

my head. Yeah. I just imagined it that

uh and then I just flew off on one. Uh

cuz the lyrics are

crazy. Great.

>> Yeah, they're great lyrics.

>> There was I with a piano up my nose.

>> Super puree. Um,

>> soup and puree.

>> Some kittens. [laughter]

Don't get left behind.

>> Yes. Ketchup. Ketchup.

>> Ketchup. [laughter]

>> I know. It's just like a lot of word

play and stuff, but I look back on that

kind of song and think I wish I wrote

those now, you know? I think it was just

a zany period.

>> Yeah.

>> Um,

>> yeah. But that's that's what it was in

my mind. It's actually a milkshake. So

the last section I want to talk to you

about is your connection to SNL because

of the many things that you entered in

in my life. I mean you were also

connected to the show one of the shows

that shaped my life when I was learning

what I wanted to do with my life. You

know, Saturday Night Live was such a

huge part of my world and the fact that

you and Lauren and just the Beatles like

they always felt like they were it felt

like you guys were hanging around all

the time and you do go to the show quite

a bit and you've been on the show quite

a bit.

>> Yeah.

>> And I mean there's just so many

incredible moments on that show. I mean

I when I was preparing for this

interview I was thinking about the Chris

Farley

>> moment which no one's seen. It's

incredible sketch where Chris Farley is

interviewing you and he does what I'm

sure most people do is he just

>> tells you what you've done [laughter]

>> and um do

>> he's so good.

>> So good. I think the first time I was

introduced to it was John

>> who was living in New York,

>> right?

>> And uh who, you know, loved SNL and it

was around that time when Lor had come

on and offered us $3,000 to to perform

cuz, you know, everyone was offering

million to get back together.

>> He holds up a check

>> and he's got a little check from

>> Yeah.

>> which apparently was what they would

have paid us. NBC [laughter]

>> and I love you you've sp spoken on this

that you all considered it for a second.

I mean you were in New York. You were

performing. Wings was performing.

>> Me and John we're at his place in in New

York and he said have you seen this

show? I said no. He said well this guy

comes on these and he's offering us

>> Yeah.

>> And and John said we should go down now

cuz it was it was on live and said go

and surprise them. So, for a second we

were gonna do that, but then it was

like, "No, it's much too comfortable

here. Let's just watch it."

>> Yeah. It's 11:30.

>> We watched it.

>> Yeah.

>> But, uh, so I think that was the first

time I'd seen the show.

>> Mhm.

>> And then sort of realized why everyone

was massive fans of it.

>> Yeah.

>> And why it was such an American

institution. I mean, I love being

included in sketches, [laughter]

>> you know. I like doing the music.

>> Be careful saying that cuz they're going

to keep writing you in.

>> I don't mind. You like it?

>> Yeah. Um I was like a garage guy, a

mechanic.

>> Yeah.

>> The last one I did [laughter]

>> with Marcelo.

>> Yeah.

>> And Will Ferrell.

>> Mhm. What was it like working with

Marcelo? [laughter] Just kidding.

>> And then um yoga.

>> Also the one I did with Marty Shaw.

>> Oh, Marty.

>> Marty Shaw.

Oh god, he's so great.

>> He's so great.

>> We were We were actually here ago. We

were actually having dinner. Um it was

me uh lawn Jimmy Fallon and we Martin

was going to come to dinner with us but

he was late so we're all sitting in the

thing and the restaurant's crowded you

know and then Martin comes in from left

and he's walking through and he's

pretending he doesn't know where we are.

[laughter]

He's seen us and he's gone, "Oh,

oh, excuse me. Oh, sorry." [laughter]

And he's bumping into tables and he's

doing that whole bit of his, you know.

Oh, there you are. [laughter]

>> So funny.

>> Hysterical.

>> Hysterical. Okay, quick uh rapid fire

and we're going to get you out of here.

Okay, so rapid fire time. Best decade

for music?

>> 60s.

>> If you were an animal, what animal would

you be?

>> Horse.

>> Why?

>> Cuz I love horses. Hm. Do you think

you've lived before?

>> Possibly.

>> And who were you? [laughter]

>> Me. King,

the unready.

>> Um, uh, do you have a favorite song

you've ever written?

>> Yeah. Here, there, and everywhere.

>> I like that song.

>> Okay. NY's favorite song of yours?

>> These we left Left Behind off the new

album.

>> Fantastic. Last concert you went to? I

think it was Brandy Carlilele.

>> She's she was in here. How talented is

she?

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> she's uh a very nice girl, too.

>> There just must be a feeling when you

meet songwriters,

>> right? There just must be a feeling of

like, oh, we know each other.

>> We know how to do this. Yeah. Even

though we don't know how to do it, but

>> we've done it.

>> Yeah. We've done it. I mean, I felt that

way even when I watched Get Back and I

wa when I was watching you uh uh write

that song, for example,

>> and the process of writing it

>> and being together and you were doing to

me what looked like what we would do in

a comedy writer's room, which is you

work a little bit and then you

around a lot

>> because you can only kind of like think

of something original for a few minutes

and then you have to like

>> play other people's songs and like goof

around. I mean, you were doing bits

basically with each other.

>> That was a way to get offline, to get

back into like your creative space, and

it was it was like a process that felt

like, oh, this is what process looks

like.

>> Yeah, that's what we we've been mates

for years.

>> So, you know, you you goof around. John

would pick up something, you know, I

remember came in through the bathroom

window, one of my songs, and uh I'm

Tuesday's on Monday's on the phone to

Tuesday, whatever it is. So, Tuesday's

on the phone to me, I think was the

line. So, I start going, "Hello,

Tuesday. All right, darling." And then

John picks it up. He's on the piano. All

right, Tuesday. And he starts doing

Tuesday. And we were talking to Tuesday.

Um,

so yeah, that we could do that.

>> Yeah,

>> cuz we we'd hung out a lot. I mean, we

went hitchhiking together and things,

you know, so we would sleep together and

and and

>> um that makes you kind of, you know,

quite intimate with each other.

>> Yeah. Well, just getting to see the way

you work together feels like they're

anybody who's in some kind of creative

space working with somebody else, they

they felt like they understood what that

feeling is. Like this idea that

>> it you kind of talked about it earlier

that there's just some kind of magic

you're supposed to make space for and

room for

>> and if you're lucky, it comes in.

>> And if you're even luckier, you get to

make it. And then if you're the

luckiest, people love it.

>> That's true. I think if you love it,

people probably will.

>> Well, I feel like I'll end by saying,

Paul, that the the thing that I feel

like you taught me as an artist,

knowing you for my entire life, not

knowing you, but knowing your work is

that love is really that's that's the

thing. Like it's like loss is

inevitable, change is inevitable, life

is wild,

>> but if you can keep kind of heading

towards the love part,

>> um you're headed in the right direction.

>> Yeah.

>> Thank you for that.

>> That's all you need. [clears throat]

>> No, I agree. It's it's you know, and uh

you know, I would own up to being a

romantic. I love it.

>> I love films where it's romantic. Yeah.

>> I'm not a big fan of like uh shoot them

ups.

>> Do you like horror movies?

>> No.

>> Me neither.

>> And and and let's take a minute. I I

Yeah.

>> Zombies.

>> Forget zombies. [clears throat]

>> I mean, people love that. It's like

>> I've never watched

>> Not very keen.

>> No.

>> Zombies.

>> I've said this before, but if there was

a zombie apocalypse, I would immediately

just take a pill and go to sleep

forever. [laughter] There's no way I

would ever like fight a zombie. No.

[laughter]

Well, I'd fight it for you.

>> Thank you, Paul.

>> So, darling. Okay. So, what is making

you laugh right now as we end?

>> Anything. What do you What do you watch

to giggle?

>> Um, yeah. Films and things

>> like what? What do you think is funny?

Let's watch a video together as we end.

>> My favorite year.

>> Oh, Peter Oul.

>> Yeah, I thought that was funny.

>> Love that movie. Haven't seen it in so

long.

>> No, that's what I mean. I asked someone

what their favorite film was and they

come up with that one.

>> Oh, I love that film.

>> Yeah, it's a great film.

>> Um, for people who don't remember that,

that was a ' 80s comedy. Oh, yeah. He

Peter Oul plays like a actor who's on a

variety show, right?

>> Yeah. He was like he's he's a hasbanded.

>> Yes.

>> And he gets drunk all the time. That's

right.

>> And the young guys put in charge of him.

There was a big stretch in the 80s where

all the characters were really drunk.

>> Yeah.

>> Like Arthur, [laughter]

>> my favorite. There's a quite a bunch

where like the the the lead was like

falling down drunk. [laughter]

>> And we were like, "That's hilarious."

[laughter] Okay, let's watch just the

trailer of my favorite year before we

end.

>> It was the year Hollywood's greatest

hero swashbuckled his way onto live TV

and Benji's wife's plastic.

>> Good god, it's raining.

>> I mean, this looks like um one

>> Monty Python sober.

>> Well, it's your neck. [music]

>> They've asked me to stay with you and

help you over some of the rough spots

>> like showing up. [laughter]

>> That's one. Another is not passing out.

>> Peter passing out.

>> God, Peter Oul is good.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, Paul McCartney, I could talk to

you all day. I really, really, really

appreciate you being here. It's a total

thrill to talk to you.

>> It was good.

>> How did we do? We did. Okay.

>> We did. I think we did great. I mean,

all right. I enjoyed it.

>> All right. Good.

>> Yeah.

>> Thanks, Paul. Thanks for doing this.

>> Thanks, Amy.

>> Okay. You're excused. [laughter]

>> Yes, miss.

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you, Paul McCartney. Um, I I don't

know what to say. It was it was a

complete thrill to talk to you and what

an incredible conversation. And you

know, for this Polar Plunge, I just I

feel the need to call my mother and tell

her that I just interviewed Paul

McCartney. So, if you will indulge me,

um, listeners, I have not told my mom or

my dad that I'm interviewing, uh, Paul.

Um, uh, because I can't be trusted with

that information. But um I'm going to

FaceTime u my mom right now and see if

we can get a real time a real time

response now. She tech Hello.

>> Hello.

>> Hi. Um I

>> can you hear me?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You're on the uh in the uh

podcast.

>> I'm I'm doing the podcast right now. So

your voices are going to be recorded. Is

that okay? Do I have your legal consent?

>> Depends on how I feel it went.

>> Okay. Let me talk to mom. [laughter]

>> Okay.

>> What's up?

>> Um, guess who I just interviewed?

>> Mom, who would be your favorite person?

>> Oh my god.

>> Who is the most excited person you've

ever met when you came to SNL?

>> Oh,

>> Paul McCartney.

>> I just interviewed Paul McCartney.

>> No, sir.

>> I did. I just interviewed Paul

McCartney.

>> Yeah.

>> My god. Your mother brags about the

time.

>> Did you mention my name? [laughter]

>> She brags about the time he knocked on

your door at SNL and said, "Oh, I like

your daughter."

>> Yeah. He said, "Are you Amy's mother?"

>> That's right. And I said, "Oh, Sir

Paul."

>> Hello, Sir Paul.

>> Okay, Mom. But you know, as I wrap up

this this episode, what is the memory

you have of of like how important were

the Beatles to you?

Oh, it's it was unbelievable. My big

memory is the first time they played on

uh Ed Sullivan

>> Ed Sullivan show with their long hair

>> and and you um my father said, "Look at

those guys with that long hair." But I

Yeah, I I liked them immediately. Yeah,

I went to went to see them, I think,

with

>> Didn't you go to Inland somewhere?

>> No, that was the Rolling Stones. Not

[laughter]

>> No, I never saw them.

>> You never saw them? You just saw the

Rolling Stones?

>> I just Yeah. No, but he made a joke to

Eileen about Didn't I see you in the

fourth row?

>> Oh, yeah. He said, "Were you at the uh

>> 1960?"

>> Okay, I gotta go. I got Okay, I gotta

go. [laughter]

>> Okay. I love you guys. I wanted to tell

you that I just interviewed Paul

McCartney.

>> Cool. I'm so psyched.

>> Nice.

>> All right. Love you guys.

>> Okay.

>> I'll keep track of his numbers and see

if he beats out Paul Rudd. [laughter]

>> He's coming for you, Rudd. All right.

All right. Okay. Love you guys.

>> Okay.

>> Bye.

>> Thanks everybody. Thanks for listening

to Good Hang. And we'll see you soon.

Bye. [laughter]

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