Transcript: Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. We just have such

a pro. We have the queen. We have just

the hilarious, incredible, inspiring

Julia Louie Drifus joining us today. And

um we talked to Julia about so many fun

good things. We talk about season 4 of

her podcast, Wiser Than Me. We're uh

we're going to talk about um her Emmy

domination and how she just beat me year

after year. Um we're talking about how

many photos we have on our phone. Um and

spoiler alert, I have more. And um

you're going to hear her reject my idea

that she is the LeBron James of

television. So great episode coming up.

But before we start, we always like to

check in with someone who knows our

guest, who has a question to give me to

ask our guest. And we have an

incredible, sweet, super talented,

hilarious Tony Hail joining us. Tony,

who you might know from Arrested

Development, Buster Bluth. What a

character. Um, he played Gary on VEP.

Incredible character. He is the voice of

Fear and Inside Out 2. Incredible

character. We love Tony. And, um, let's

check in and see if we can hear him from

his incredible studio. Tony.

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booth in a recording booth.

>> Okay, this is a little booth I made in

my house. And if I really showed it to

you, you'd be like, "Oh, that's sad.

Tony needs help." [laughter]

>> First of all, everyone now, you're

you're nobody if you don't have a booth

in your house.

>> Really? I'm ahead of the game.

>> This is like feels like a co, you know,

thing. You build a wall

>> and you make it soundproof and you start

a podcast. [laughter]

>> Soundproofish.

If I really showed it to you, go, "Oh, I

get it now. That's a that's a he's on

the witness protection program."

>> Oh, it's so good to see you. We first

met on the set of Arrested Development

back in

>> whatever that was.

>> Yeah, actually, was that I think we

>> was the first time

>> I think we might have first met when

Martell was

>> on SNL cuz my wife was a makeup artist

on SNL and I think but I was I was just

the guy next to her that was like I'm

not going to say anything. I'm not gonna

say anything to Amy. No. No. And so I

don't know if we actually met, but I

just kind of probably stared at all you

guys.

>> Yeah. Your very talented wife, Martell,

was a makeup artist during my years at

SNL. And um

uh and then we got to know each other on

the set of Arrested. And I mean, Buster

Bluth,

what we we need a movie about what's on

going on in his head.

>> Yeah, there was a lot going on in his

head. and [laughter] and I mean he could

barely get to the pharmacy but he uh

just oh man there somebody was was

asking me the other day about um just

the codependency you know that's in that

show between me and Lucio Bluth who is

played you know wonderfully by Jessica

Walter and there is a scene in there

which so uh is such a beautiful picture

of the codependency where she's on house

arrest and she can't smoke and so she

tells me she goes buster come here come

here and she says she makes me inhale

the smoke out of her mouth as she smokes

[laughter] and then blow it out on the

balcony

>> and then she takes another drag and then

blows it into my mouth and I've got to

exhale in the balcony. I was like if

just like a baby bird getting a worm out

of his mom's mouth

>> and I was like if that's not a picture

of dysfunction that I mean that is

crazy.

>> Well to me that's a picture of a loving

son taking care of their mother.

>> You know [clears throat] what Amy I

think this is a side conversation.

That's what a son should do for its

mother.

>> You're absolutely right. My mother would

agree. [laughter]

You have created such great codependent

dysfunctional relationships in the work

work that you do because Lucille and

Buster I mean is and and then the

relationship you and Julia have on VEP

is

>> how when you explain

your relationship to Selena in that like

how do you relation how do you how do

you sum up the relationship you guys

have together on the show your

characters.

>> Um, I worshiped She was Jesus to me. I

was I don't even think I ex I mean I She

literally called me a [ __ ] mime on the

show because she didn't really want me

to speak. [laughter]

So she had she gave me no value, but I

just had these crazy rosecolored glasses

and just I never heard it. I just heard

poetry when she was screaming at me.

>> So it was just and she knew it. She knew

it and she abused it. It looked like you

two had an incredible working

relationship. Like it just looked like

you loved working together.

>> We really did. And she um the one thing

I mean you did the same thing on on

Parks and Wreck, but it's you whoever is

number one on the call sheet, which

means whoever's the star of the show,

they typically set the tone of the

experience. And sometimes unfortunately

that's I haven't had this experience but

you know sometimes it's like everybody's

walking in eggshells and there's a lot

of ego and entitlement which just sucks

creative energy out of a space and it's

just not a gift to anybody. And then

sometimes you have like you or Julia

where you walk in and it's just it's

it's open. We're all on the same team.

There's a kindness. There's a respect.

And let me tell you right now it is a

gift for the next seven years that we

have that show of what she gave us. and

we just loved her and we just became

friends. I mean, she's also work is not

her number one priority. Her family is.

She has a life outside of it. And I know

just the humanity of Julia was really

just awesome. Awesome to be around.

>> Yeah. And you know, you I think you

because you're a deep thinking person.

>> Too deep.

>> Too deep. Some people say too deep.

[laughter]

>> That's the rumor.

>> Tony Hill. Too deep.

>> Damn it. That should been the name of my

podcast.

>> Too deep. Too deep to what would be the

book? It would be Tony Hail. Um

>> or somebody's or I'm talking to

somebody, they start saying something, I

go, "Not deep enough. [laughter]

You got to go deeper.

>> Go deeper." Actually, go deeper.

>> Go deeper. Go deeper. [clears throat]

>> Not deep enough. I'm like, "Byebye.

[laughter]

>> Go deeper." And then and it's go deeper,

get back up to the surface. You've gone

too deep. [laughter]

>> It's way too deep. So, I ask my Zoom

guests to give me a question to ask my

guests. And I'm wondering if you have a

question, big, small, deep, not deep

>> for Julia that you think would be

appropriate.

>> One thing that I always loved to witness

with Julia was her relationship with her

mom.

>> Mhm.

>> She really loves and respects her mom.

And I I we never really talked about I

mean, we talked about her mom a lot, but

never really talked about much her

growing up. and growing up what she

remembers kind of how her mom cultivated

that foundation.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, cuz it's such a cool thing to

watch now and I'm like, "Oh, wow." Like,

"What did your mom do right?" You know?

>> Yeah. It's a great question. What did

your mom do right? That's that's

actually a I think that's kind of

[laughter]

that's kind of like the theme of your

50s and 60s because your tw listen I

love to generalize so I apologize in

advance but if your 20s and 30s are like

who am I not and I don't want to do this

and like what didn't go right then as

you get older you start to realize what

else what what did I what the people who

raised me what did they

>> you know they're doing the best they can

what did they do, right?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you can you can

really see it with the the fruit of that

with her with her relationship and you

know, both you and I are parents and I

want I want that kind of longevity that

she has with her mom.

>> Man, what an awesome gift.

>> Yeah,

>> you're so right about the 50s kind of

having eyes to see things,

>> which is such a gift. Um that's um

that's too deep. That's that we went

through.

>> We've gone to Yeah, that's the second

week of Too Deep, which is

>> Well, my favorite dessert is key lime

pie. [laughter]

>> Thank god. Let's get back up to the

service. You know what I mean? I'm not

trying to change lives here, Tony. You

know what I mean?

>> Like, we're trying to have a laugh. This

is a good hang.

>> So, sorry.

>> And look, I took you down. I I put the

weights on our ankles and I brought us

down.

>> I was about to go into like dessert. The

sugar does hurt my stomach, but I do I

want to keep it up.

stay.

>> I'm not going to say anymore.

>> So, also maybe if I follow up the qu

maybe if I ask Julia the question about

her mom, I should follow up with what's

your favorite kind of pie.

>> I will say what's her favorite dessert?

I want to say I think it might be a

really good chocolate cake, but I don't

know if that's true.

>> Well, I feel like I would trust you

knowing everything about Julia after

Vep.

>> Yeah. I didn't know anything about

politics on that show, but I knew what

designer she was wearing. I knew what

jewelry she was wearing. I knew who just

had an affair that she was talking to. I

knew all that stuff.

>> You kept tampons in your bag just in

case.

>> Different colors. Several.

>> That's a real man.

>> Thank [laughter] you.

>> That's a real man.

>> Thank you. Know why they haven't put me

in a Marvel movie.

[laughter]

>> He's a guy that has tampons in his bag.

>> Me, me, me.

>> I got it. I got it. I got And I I have

um antibacterial wipes, too.

Um, well, um, I feel like you should be

in a Marvel movie. And also, you are in

Toy Story. Toy Story 5 is coming out.

You're in that.

>> Five is coming out. Forky. Sweet little

Forky. Man, Forky was the best. Is the

>> That's go so great.

>> Yeah, Forky has a lot of questions.

[laughter]

And uh,

>> what's his what's [clears throat]

Forky's game? Like, what's what's going

on with Forky?

>> God, we're getting too deep again.

>> Here we go. Going down. [laughter]

You're like, Forky is like, why are we

here?

>> Fork is like, why are we here? But also

the fact that he like came into the

world being like, I'm trash. I'm just

trash. And Woody's like, no, you're more

than trash. You you're made for a

purpose. Come on.

>> Oh, that Pixar man.

>> That Pixar man just gets you.

>> They just get they just get you every

time.

>> So, I think that'll come out uh this

summer. And this this this this theme of

this one is toys against tech, which I

think is a really cool

>> Ooh.

>> Yeah, that's that's very

>> that's very cool.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Well, I um as [clears throat] long as uh

as long as you guys don't come after my

phone.

[laughter]

>> You can say all you want about tech, but

my phone is my best friend. So,

>> what if when the movie comes out, like

the SWAT team just goes to your house

and goes, "Amy,

>> give me your phone."

What if at the very end tech just wins?

It's like, yeah, no more toys.

>> Amy is really a spokesperson for AI when

everyone's concerned

>> big time. Ay, we need AI. [laughter]

>> She's the ambassador. AI's ambassador.

Polar

>> Tony, I love you. See you later. Bye.

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>> Julia Lou Drifus is here and we've

started our um interview by comparing

how many photos we have on our phone.

>> I would call it a competition if you

don't mind.

>> Well, I I want to talk about this

because what I like about you is you

like to win.

>> I do like to win.

>> I know. I love that about you. Let's

Let's reveal the numbers of photos we

have on our phone.

>> I'll go first.

>> Go ahead.

>> 82,000. Oh [ __ ]

>> Is that winning or losing? Is it winning

or losing that I have 82,000 photos on

my phone?

>> Wait, you mean it's a round number like

that?

>> Yeah. No, it's 82014.

>> 82,14. What do you have?

>> I'm 56,276.

>> Chop chop.

>> Screw you, [laughter] Amy Polar.

Now, you know what it means is that we

have not asked a young person to plug in

our phone and to transfer our photos

somewhere else. We should

>> I want to have them on my phone.

>> Me, too.

>> There you go.

>> But we should be downloading them

somewhere else. Right.

>> Don't they do that automatically in the

cloud?

>> I'm literally the last person to ask.

>> Somebody call Bill Gates. [laughter]

We can get him on the phone because my

now when I get a new iPhone, I hand it

to my 17-year-old child and I go, "Fix

it. Do it." Because I don't even know

how to

>> do it.

>> Do it. I don't know.

>> You don't know how to do it? I don't

know how to do it either. But this is

making me anxious. I need to take these

all off of here. I want There are

certain pictures I want to have.

>> Agreed. But and let me ask the Jenzers

in the room, do you guys take your

photos off your phone at some point?

>> Never.

>> Never. See, we're young and hip all of a

sudden.

>> Okay, we're really sounding old though

because [laughter]

I feel the same way. Like I sweat.

Technology makes me sweat.

>> That's right, mother. It does.

[laughter]

>> Yes, mother.

>> Yes, mother.

>> Yes.

>> Speaking. Are you comfy, by the way? You

need anything? Okay, great. Oh, let's

move. Let's turn off that phone.

>> Hold on. Julia's phone is ding. Did you

get another picture? Did you get another

picture sent to you? I'm up to

[laughter] 56,600.

[laughter]

Okay. By the way, my phone is also on.

>> Um Oh,

>> hang on. I just want to finish this.

[laughter]

Okay. Anyway, now it's now it's uh it's

silenced.

>> Okay.

>> Yes.

>> I want to start by asking you about

podcasting because we're both podcasting

now. No,

>> I didn't really ask a lot of people for

advice before I started this podcast.

And

>> you should have called me, by the way.

>> I know. I I didn't ask any men because I

try not to ask men for advice.

>> Smart.

>> Um, but what what do you think makes a

good interview? You've done great

interviews now. You've done many of

them.

>> What have What do you think makes a good

one?

Well, I mean, it sort of um depends on

what the the conceit is for what the

conversation's going to be.

>> You've done this right because Good hang

lets you know exactly what it's going to

be. We could be talking about the photos

on my phone for the next 45 minutes.

>> That's right. We probably will.

>> And we might. And that's like that is

dynamite because that's there's an ease

to that.

Um,

unfortunately for me, [laughter]

you've made it hard because you love

hard work. Well, I don't know about

that, but I I have made it I mean, it's

definitely rewarding, but it does I'm

talking to older women about the wisdom

they have um acquired in their life and

would they share it with us? So, that

requires me to do a lot of research. I

really need to come to the table

understanding who these people are and

how to have an authentic conversation

that isn't just, you know, your normal

>> uh [ __ ] around.

>> Yeah. Or plug your this that and the

other.

>> Yeah. And and I it's why I love your

show and I've told you that like I love

the deep dive you do. I do feel like I

get this very, you know, big picture um

perspective from the women and the lives

that they've led.

>> Oh, thanks. I'm going to glaze you for a

while on this. This is what the kids

call a glaze. I'm glazing.

>> Like a sugar thing.

>> Yeah. All about sugar.

>> This is like I'm going to tell you how

great you are. So, buckle up.

[clears throat]

>> Okay. There's a word There's another

word that's out now that I can't

remember what it is that I was going to

respond to, but it went out of my head.

>> And if we know it, it's out.

>> There's [laughter] no way. There's no

way.

>> So, glaze is not cool anymore.

>> Of course it isn't. If I'm saying it.

>> So, now I have to say I'm dead.

>> Yeah, exactly. I'm dead.

[laughter and gasps]

Seriously? Bet. Bet, Julia. Bet. Um, but

but you how much research do you do for

a show? Like, do you

>> A lot, baby K.

>> Well, why do why work so hard?

>> I don't know. [laughter]

Get me OUT OF IT.

>> HAVEN'T YOU GOTTEN THE MEMO TO WORK? Do

you see how how

why are we working so hard?

>> I don't know. Well, you say you're not

working hard, but even you are. You've

you have Yeah, you are, right? Isn't

she?

>> Yeah, she is. Everyone's shaking their

head. You are. You're pretending like

you're not to be cool, but you're

working super hard.

>> But I got to tell you, you're But it is

it it's an indication, I think, of a

bigger thing that we all are used to

doing, which is being a very good

student, like just like working hard.

>> Yes, that's true.

>> And and has that been something you

found in your life? You like you want to

do well and be a good student basically.

>> I want to do well. Yeah. And also for me

the with this podcast it was really born

out of my own curiosity. In fact I came

to you and talked to you about this

podcast once.

>> I know. And I remember thinking this

sounds hard.

>> I know. [laughter]

>> And Jul ladies and gentlemen.

>> Julia was like what if we did? I was

like that sounds like a lot.

>> I don't think so. You do it. That's what

she said. Who is coming up that you're

Who have you who have you interviewed

that you can plug?

>> Well I can plug the following. I can

plug Jane Curtain.

Please please

>> let's talk about Jane for one second.

Let's just sit sit here and think about

Jane for a second.

>> Well, you know what? It was a really,

first of all, obviously an honor to talk

to her, but it was a great opportunity

to go back and look at her work and

particularly her work on SNL back in the

day because of course she was one of the

original cast members. [gasps]

And to understand the effect, speaking

for myself, that had on my life.

>> Yeah.

>> Ginormous.

>> Yes.

>> Ginormous.

>> Totally. And you know I and I watched

that first episode and Janice Ian is

singing I Learned the Truth at 17 and I

was 14 watching the show when that

premiered and the these were my people.

>> Yeah.

>> And so

same was true of Carol.

>> Yeah. Do you know you sort of don't to a

certain extent these people that have

the these cultural icons who've had

proper influence.

They get into your bloodstream without

you knowing it. Totally. And it's and

it's it's you know that thing like you

have to see it to be it. It's not

conscious. It's not like you say, "Oh,

there's a woman on there." But you just

see people filling this role and you

just becomes part of your DNA that that

could exist in your life and your world.

>> Right. Completely. So, yeah.

>> Incredible.

>> Yeah.

>> Incredible. By the way, you may know

this, but something I learned talking to

Jane that was kind of extraordinary

because you and I are familiar with the

the schedule of SNL, which is grueling.

>> Yeah.

>> Jane was not hired as a writer. And

immediately she made the decision that

she was not going to come to work on

Monday and Tuesday. I swear to Christ.

>> So baller.

>> Baller.

>> She's like, I'm I'm not here to write.

I'm here to perform. Let me know when

you write for me.

>> You're pay you're paying me as an actor.

I'll be here for the table read on

Wednesday.

>> Wow.

>> And the great thing about that was

she's a really good cold reader

according to her

>> and so she'd nail it and then she'd be

in sketches. But she was not doing that

drugfilled

allnighter life. Wow.

>> And I just that she had the sense to to

realize that she was protecting herself.

>> FYI, she was married, too.

>> Yeah. She always Jane seemed like the

reasonable

>> cast member

>> cuz she was.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I I told this to Martin Short,

Marty Short, when he was on the show. We

were talking about the SNL 50th

>> which stirred up so much for everybody.

>> I mean,

>> it was it was

>> that was a lot of there were a lot of

feelings in that studio.

>> I know. And I I I I can speak for myself

that parts of me really regressed like

back to

>> you know some version of what I was like

when I was there and also the young part

of me was like starruck by the people

who you know I grew up watching and I

the one of my tenderest moments was I

was talking to Lorraine Newman who I

don't know that well but I worship. Yes.

>> And her and Jane got ready together.

>> Yeah. They're like that

>> and they got their hair and makeup

together before and it just made me feel

so happy because I just wanted them to

be friends forever.

>> And they were

>> I know they are. And then they held up

Gilda's picture at the end.

>> It was so touching.

>> I know. Um you Julia, even though I

consider you

>> you're I I consider you whether you'll

accept this or not like

>> I don't accept it.

>> [ __ ] I knew it.

>> I don't I'm not going to accept it. I'm

just

>> It's good though. I'm going to say

something good.

>> Okay, go ahead.

>> Big sister energy for me. Like,

>> oh, really?

>> I feel like in the same way you saw

Jane. I was 11, 12 when you were on SNL

and you were a baby. You were like 21 or

something. So, you were not that much

older than me, but it you were

definitely a new woman on the show. And,

you know, I was always paying attention

to who who was new on the show. and you

looked really young, which I loved cuz I

was young and wanted a young person on

the show. And I have to say like when I

was getting preparing for this

interview, there's a million ways that

we can talk about all the million things

that you've done in your career and your

life and who you are as a person and

I've got to lucky to get to call you a

friend. But you are like the LeBron

James of TV.

Yeah. I I mean I thanks [laughter] but I

I'm not gonna I'm not accepting that I'm

not accepting that man.

>> Well, here's why I say that.

>> You're not accepting.

>> And I think that's smart to not accept

it. Actually, I take it back.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> But no, but the but you have been you're

pretty good.

>> Just say you're pretty good. It's fine.

>> You won three. This is this I'm going to

extend the metaphor and I'm just I'm

pleased that I came up with this from a

sports perspective cuz

>> [laughter]

>> um cuz you're such a sports girl.

>> Such a sporty head. I mean, this is what

this podcast is about, sports.

[laughter] Yeah. Like, let's go deep

into the draft.

>> into the draft and football

>> and the Kelsey's.

>> Let's go into there. Let's get deep in.

Okay.

>> No, but um because you're LeBron because

you have won championships for more than

one team. You're You have been on huge

legacy shows

>> more than once.

>> It's not That's very unusual. It's very

>> That is unusual and that's a lot of good

luck, you know, really. And so so great,

but not really LeBron. [laughter]

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But but what is

your We started talking about winning.

We were comparing photos.

>> What is your relationship to winning?

>> Cuz I like that you like to win. Like I

like I like com like fun competitive

women.

>> Well, first of all, fun is all caps

because because there's another kind of

competitive woman. Totally.

>> Um that we don't care for.

>> That's right. It has to the fun part has

it has to be like in good fun. And

>> well, here I'm going to tell you a story

about you that I like so much.

>> Okay.

>> So, um you and I have now a couple of

times done bits around award shows

>> and and when we're competing against

each other.

>> That's right. So anyway, what I have

found over the years is that it's very

good to focus on what to do if you win

or you lose.

>> And Amy Puller is very fun to come up

with bits with.

>> I love a bit.

>> Love a bit

>> at an award show that because it used to

be fun. It used to be like goofy and now

it's so serious.

>> Yeah. And and by the way, we took

speeches seriously, but from a comic

point of view.

>> If you win for a comedic role, try to be

funny when you give a speech.

>> Or how about even if you win from a for

a dramatic role, how about that? Great

idea. Turn [laughter] it on its head.

>> Flip it.

>> Flip it.

>> Anytime anybody does, they look like a

genius.

>> Genius. No, for real, you look like a

genius.

>> It's true. So, we did a couple of them

where we my I think my favorite one with

you, but you tell me was when we we

pretended to switch acceptance speeches.

>> That was my favorite.

>> You went up there. So good.

>> We gave each other a hug and then we

pretended to like oopsie switch speeches

and then you went up and you started

thanking people from parks and wreck and

then we had a moment of like oh [ __ ]

And the camera cut to me. And those were

the years I have to say there were so

many great women always in our category

that came and went. Julia was always

there cuz she always crushed us all

every year. But um but um and like

people were really game to have fun cuz

completely

>> and I don't remember anything other than

the fun times of those bits.

>> Yeah, me too. I really I was always so

grateful that you were

>> because there were certain people that

weren't down to do those bits and they

won't be named but we did try to with

other people and they didn't think it

they didn't want to do it.

>> I know I think some of them were nervous

like genuinely nervous.

>> Okay, fine. You can say that. [laughter]

>> But okay, I want to start though. Uh, I

want to go back a little bit because I

feel like we talked a little bit about

this in person, but we we kind of had

similar

sketch Chicago beginnings.

>> Yeah.

>> Like we we were in a group. We were the

only girl in the group.

>> Yeah.

>> And our group kind of moved to a new

city

>> to like make a start. And in your case,

Practical

>> Theater

>> theater practical theater company moved

to SNL together. You were on TV from

Northwestern.

>> Yes. So, what year was that?

>> 1982. Yeah.

>> And we were doing a show in Chicago that

was a big hit in Chicago. And uh

>> and all the people in the show got

hired. There were four of us.

>> Three of us were on SNL and the fourth

person, Paul Baras, was hired as a

writer.

>> Yeah. And you all moved to New York and

>> just started together. What was it like

to have four or five of your closest

friends to start that show with?

>> Um, well, it was tricky.

>> Yeah. Not because we didn't get along,

but because we were a group of people

who were met with a lot of animosity.

>> Yeah.

>> And uh by the by the people

uh whose friends had just been fired.

>> Right. [laughter]

Right.

And if I can imagine it, because I was

myself the same way, there's like a

pluckiness to a sketch group. Like a

sketch group is like improv and sketch

is like standup was cool and improv and

sketch was kind of nerdy. Nerdy for

sure.

>> And you know, so it was like, "Hey guys,

we're here." And I'm sure everyone was

like "Okay

>> congrats." No, but you're going to I

don't know if you know, maybe you know

this, but when they they had us at the

first t Oh god, I can't even Oh, no.

>> It was just so excruciating. There's

this room

[gasps] on the 17th floor with

fluorescent lighting and, you know,

folding tables and that's where they do

the table read.

And in that same room, they had us,

these new people coming in,

do part of our show that we were doing

in Chicago for the writers and cast.

>> Oh wow.

>> Yeah. In fluorescent lighting.

>> Oh wow.

>> And we came out to your point

and it didn't land. [laughter]

It did not land. Even saying it, my my

armpits are going bananas right now.

>> It was so bad there.

>> So anyway, that's how it began.

>> It was a terrible, inospicious start.

>> And you were there for a couple of

years. Three.

>> And you were there during a period of

transition. I mean, Lauren was

>> not there. Lauren was not there. Dick

Everol was there. What a strange window

to be there.

>> Oh, baby. It was bad.

>> Yeah, it was not great. It was not

great but

>> fabulous learning experience.

>> Um, it was hard and

>> it it was a little crazy making, but I I

came away from it u sort of stronger.

>> Yeah. And met Larry David, who you then

worked with again on Seinfeld. Seinfeld

still similar kind of thing like didn't

had an inospicious start.

>> Yeah, it was a four episode order. It

was like they were just trying to um

sort of burn it out.

>> It when I was doing research.

>> Oh, look at you working hard.

>> Very hard. Um you are the person I've

worked the hardest for. Um

>> that's total [ __ ] But go ahead.

>> It is true. Yeah. I've worked the

hardest for Michelle Obama.

>> Yeah. Um smart.

>> Yeah. Um

>> smart. But uh no, but but like Parks and

Rick, Seinfeld was always close to being

cancelled. People weren't getting it. It

was like we don't know what we have

here. Nobody.

>> It was until the the third year it

started to take off.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

And was was Elaine written as a man at

first? That character? [laughter]

>> No. But wasn't it four men and then they

changed it to Elaine?

>> I [laughter] don't know.

>> You don't know? No, I was Is that a

weird way to ask [laughter] it? You know

what I mean? I do, but it makes me

laugh. I think I'm tired. [laughter]

I've got Elaine was You were playing

Elaine as a man. Yes.

>> No. Correct. [laughter]

>> But wasn't the character they brought

you in because they were like Julia and

because

>> they did a pilot.

>> Yeah.

>> And then apparently the network told

them you have to put a girl in the show.

There's a tape out there somewhere where

there's a another person in No, not in

there is not a regular

>> women in it in the pilot.

>> Correct.

>> Wow. Yeah. It's a It was a different

time.

>> And so they said, "You know what? You

need a girl." [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> And so so I came in and I've never

watched the pilot of Seinfeld, by the

way. And so uh why would I? I'm not in

it. Why would I bother? And so

>> you refused to watch anything?

[laughter]

>> That's right.

>> That's right. What was the name of the

show you were in by then?

>> Exactly. Yeah.

>> Um, so, uh, yeah, so that's what

happened. So they put me in, so I was in

the episode two onward.

>> And I feel like success in the comedy

world, in the sitcom world, is often

like kind of measured by whether or not

people will dress up as you for

Halloween.

>> Oh,

>> because I I think Elaine is a popular

Halloween costume.

>> It is. It is.

>> And it's an easy one to get together.

Like it's just it's a dress and a blazer

and a and a a curlyhaired wig.

>> God, I could I'd love to go back and fix

that look.

>> Yeah, I I I feel there's some early

Leslie no

>> styles where I'm like

didn't put enough thought into that.

>> Yeah, but we weren't really thinking

about that. No, we were act we were

acting and we were in our charact. No,

but

>> No, but I actually remember cuz like

when Friends came out at some point when

we were doing Seinfeld, not in the

beginning, it was sort of I can't

remember what the years were, but and

all those girls were so sexy.

>> Yeah. And I remember thinking like, ah,

[ __ ] I should have [laughter] been

sexy. I think that all the time.

>> Seriously, I I can't tell you how many

I'm like, oh, I forgot TO BE SEXY.

>> NO, TOTALLY. A [ __ ] [laughter]

>> Oh my god.

>> This was such a missed opportunity.

>> Reminded of it. When you see other

people, you're like, "Oh, that's also

something I could have tried to be."

>> Right. I'm seriously like a midriff.

Anything. Anything.

>> But that's why we love Elaine. We love

her because of that. Because she feels

like us. She feels like someone we would

know and love. Like she feels like our

funniest friend.

She feels like her like, you know, I

mean, I think

>> and she's so funny and it's

it just could it wouldn't work if Fain

was paying attention to that.

>> It never would work. It might have

worked.

That's true. [laughter] She just went

through like a really [ __ ] sexy phase.

>> Not so [ __ ] Just coming in like in

tight jeans and like how they all

dressed.

>> Yeah, I know. Anyway, because let's not

dwell on my regrets. But also you had

two two boys did you were you pregnant?

>> Oh right I forgot. Yeah I had two babies

during that time. So the sexy thing

although you know look to me more did

it.

>> I know but

>> but I didn't even know about that. I

didn't know about like you know going

like that with your big tummy and

looking hot. I was just you know I was

just wearing huge like picnic

tablecloths.

Yeah. But that style is back now. You

know, 90s are 90s are back, baby.

>> Listen, if anybody in America is

listening to this,

>> please don't do the '9s again.

>> I'm going to disagree with you.

>> Okay. Well, you're wrong and I'm right.

>> No.

>> And so, just leave it at that. You're

you're being triggered, but I'm telling

you, '9s like that the the floral with

the like a chunky shoe and a tight and a

blazer. [ __ ] jackpot. like you you

and Jen Aniston, when you look at

pictures like Rachel and um and Elaine,

everybody's dressing like that now.

>> And I I don't know what to say.

[laughter]

I'm just so [ __ ] sorry.

I really I really really am. [laughter]

But I will tell you one thing and I've

told this story before, but when I was

pregnant with Charlie with my second son

and I was really pregnant and I was

about five or six months and I got

pretty big and Jerry comes up to me and

he says, "Hey, we got an idea in the

right." [laughter] Oh no. And he said,

"Um, how about this idea? How

[clears throat] about Elaine just gets

fat?"

>> Incredible. What an idea. What an idea,

Jerry.

So, I burst into tears, [laughter] of

course.

And um

>> I will say the following though, in

retrospect, it might have been great.

>> It might have been funny.

>> It's a funny idea.

>> Yeah, it's a funny idea. Yeah. And I

think hilarious and

>> because, you know, with a big tummy and

then you're like putting a belt on it

and you're pretending you're not

pregnant, you're just getting fat.

>> But when you're not feeling in your own

body, it's it's like

>> it didn't it didn't it didn't work. I

remember on Parks and Wreck I had been

pregnant on twice on that show too and

or sorry I had started when I had just

given birth for my first kid and then I

got pregnant on my uh with Abel my my

youngest a few years later and I

remember my character Leslie was going

to become pregnant on the show and I

said I I did some version of like

bursting into tears where I said I

cannot be fake pregnant. I've just been

really pregnant on both SNL and Parks

and Wreck. I've been genuinely pregnant

and I c you can't make me now wear a

fake stomach. Oh, so it was Oh, it was

like after you give birth after birth,

they were like, "Let's strap that belly

right back on." And I was like, "No, no,

no." Well, how about this? How about

after I gave birth to Charlie and I'm

picking up our our uh my other son Henry

from my camp and I'm picking him up and

this mom comes up to me. She goes, "When

are you two?"

Mm- [clears throat]

>> Yeah.

>> No.

>> Um you're you have the greatest kids.

>> Oh, thank you. Thank you. And such

talented boys and really nice. They're

men. Talented men. They are still my

boys.

>> Yeah. And and I love your relationship

with Brad, who's a wonderful person.

>> Yeah.

>> And you guys are like a really beautiful

example of a loving, funny,

supportive marriage with two very

talented people. And you're

>> FYI, we're separate and getting divorced

[laughter]

>> and you're going to announce it here.

>> Yeah. I just thought this is the time. I

mean, you brought it up. I might as

well.

>> Well, you know what?

>> Good. Easy.

>> Easy go.

>> And I worked with your son Charlie on on

Moxy, a film that I made. He was a total

doll.

>> You know what? I have to tell you

something about that. That was the first

professional job he ever had was you

gave him that job in Moxy. And I am so

grateful to you for that. Not because

you gave him the job, of course. Yes.

But because I'm so grateful because

you're a good person and he didn't have

an experience with um

a jerk, of which there are so many.

>> Yeah. And um it was very informative to

him. So I just want you to know that for

real and this is totally me telling you

>> thank you and you've no I I'm actually

I'm tearing up but it really I really

mean it. Thanks.

>> I love him. I love him. He's such a nice

kid and talented. Okay so um

>> we talk about Seinfeld Adventures of Old

Christine. Incredible show. Carrie Lizer

>> love. She's your kind of person.

>> She is an an incredible showrunner.

You've worked with great showrunners.

>> Yes, I have worked with great

showrunners. Yes.

>> Armando Ayanucci who is a creator of um

VEP. How did did that um part was that

part written for you?

[snorts]

>> Um is yes I would say. I mean initially

no. Uh, I just heard about the concept

that, you know, unhappy vice president.

[laughter]

>> Um, and then, um, and I was like, ding,

ding ding ding ding.

>> And then I met with him and then he

started to write it after that.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Cuz I loved the idea and I loved

his work.

>> I mean, Julia.

>> Yes.

>> That show

>> that show was so much fun to do. I have

to say, I still miss it.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you miss doing parks?

>> I miss the people. Yeah, I miss the

people a lot. I mean, I have a lot of

them on here because I miss them so

much. Like I miss I It felt like And it

feels that way with VEP, too. Like the

chemistry of the people, the funniness

of like the laughing all day.

>> All day.

>> So, we do a thing on um the the podcast

where we have people come on before our

guest and talk well behind our guests

back.

>> Talk well.

>> Yes. You've not listened to this

podcast, have you?

>> Let me explain something to you. You You

called me to do something for a garden,

but you didn't say talk. Well,

>> yes, I did.

>> No, you didn't.

>> I did, too. I said

>> No, you said come up with some questions

for her.

>> That's not talking well.

>> When I introduced you, I said that we're

going to talk well behind AA's back. Did

I not?

>> No, you didn't. I'm being gaslit by this

enterprise.

>> Whatever.

>> I'm never I am never talking to you

again. And by the way, aa, who was on

our podcast, you you came on to do a an

incredible uh little uh you know,

segment in the front. And aa and you are

buddies.

>> Yes.

>> And when when I was talking to her, she

was saying you guys were ready to go on

a trip together.

>> Yeah, we did.

>> Please tell me about it. [laughter] Tell

me what you ate.

>> Tell [gasps] me. Just tell me what you

ate. We we went to She very generously

took me and Brad

>> to a restaurant in Paris called Caviar

Caspia.

>> Yeah.

>> And frankly, I don't even like caviar.

>> What?

>> Yeah. And it was delicious.

>> Was everything Did everything have

caviar in it? Kind of.

>> Amazing. It was like caviar and potato

and

>> champagne and it was very

>> Yeah.

>> Ex just exotic and it was in Paris.

>> So, you know what else do you need to

know?

>> She was so nice. She brought champagne

and strawberry. She was the best.

>> God, I was I supposed to bring

something?

>> It's just weird that you didn't, I

guess. Like, I mean,

>> if it is weird that you didn't. Uh, if

my assistant Will is listening to this

right now in the green room, could you

could you put some more photos on my

phone, please, while Julia is getting it

for me?

>> More photos on my phone right now. And

also, can you go and get some uh

chocolates and quickly get some chips

and you rip up the thank you note I was

about to send to Julie?

>> Also, could you please bring me send

flowers to myself because I'm clearly

not going to be getting anything from

Amy Polar. I I distinctly said that

polka dots were only for me.

>> The other thing is is that how could it

have been that I came out here wearing

this blouse and you did not see what she

had on. Okay. Anyway, so I spoke to

someone who knows you really well and

that is Tony Hail.

>> Oh my Tony.

>> I know. Tell me about tell me how much

you love Tony.

>> I love Tony. [laughter]

He's the best. He is the greatest guy.

>> What do you love about him? What's so

great about Tony?

>> He is deeply funny.

>> Yeah.

>> Like deeply funny. He is

profoundly generous.

>> He is incredibly neurotic. [laughter]

>> Perfect.

>> He worries about everyone.

>> Yeah. So if there's a group of people

and somebody is off or not fitting in or

having a hard time, he can only focus on

that.

>> Yeah.

>> And uh which speaks to his kindness.

>> Yeah.

>> And [laughter] I just would do anything

to work with him again. I want to find a

way to work with him again. You guys

were so great together on that show and

everyone on VEP was great. But Selena

and Gary's relationship was very

special.

>> Very special.

>> How would you sum it up when you explain

it?

>> Um,

have you ever seen a

uh like

like a trellis with a plant growing

throughout it?

>> That's their relationship.

Codependency to the max.

>> Max.

>> Inshment times a thousand.

>> Yeah. That plant is not going to live

without the trellis. And FYI, the

trellis doesn't give a [ __ ] about the

plant. [laughter]

>> Yeah. Like the trellis actually is like,

could somebody cut this plant off me?

>> Yeah.

>> Like this plant might take

>> also makes me look better so it can

stay.

>> Yeah. I mean the way good metaphor. It's

really good because you're I mean Selena

was like

>> ultimate narcissist.

>> Yes.

>> And which by the way

couldn't be more fun to play.

>> Oh, I bet. What was fun to play? Why was

that fun?

What did it allow What did it allow you

to play around with and do that you

don't get to do in your real life

playing her?

>> Focus only on myself.

>> Yeah.

>> And

>> Yeah. and and appalled that if anyone is

not focused on me.

>> Yeah.

>> And take no responsibility for anything.

>> Yes. Never apologize.

>> Never apologize. [laughter] It's always

your fault, your fault, and your fault.

>> She just never ever looked inward.

>> Right. Ever.

>> Yeah.

>> She didn't know what that meant.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, that was fun.

>> Well, um Tony had a great sweet, of

course, loving question. and he loves

you and adores you and um he his

question was like very tender just like

Tony but he was saying like what he

loved about you as a parent. He watched

you be the kind of parent that you are

and it really inspired him as a parent

and also he was very moved and is very

moved by your relationship with your mom

and his question was what do you think

your mom

>> um

did right? What did she give you? What

are you like happy that you got from

your mom? M

>> it's such a sweet tender such a tender

question.

>> I know. I mean there are obviously many

things that I got from my mother

including this wide jaw of mine.

>> It's gorgeous. Um, but I would say that

my mother is

a very cur intellectually curious person

>> and I think some of that has rubbed off

on me

>> and um

and also my mother [laughter]

uh has a very good sense of humor.

>> When you were growing up, was she

watching stuff that influenced you? I

know a lot of my comedy came from my

mom, like what my mom was watching.

>> What did your mom watch? Well, Carol

Bernett, Monty Python, SNL, like my

parents had that on in the house. Did

your mom watch that kind of stuff

growing up?

>> Yeah. Well, yes. And uh I mean I vividly

there was a show on when I was little,

like really little, like maybe two.

>> Um and it was a show called Soupie

Sales.

>> Oh yeah.

>> And also Captain Kangaroo.

>> Yes.

>> And we used to watch that and howl.

There was something and I think it was

on Subie sales or maybe it's Captain

Came where pingpong balls would fall

down

>> and you know when you're two that's like

drop deadad funny. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> No, you know what I mean? It's kind of

the Jack in the Box kind of a joke.

>> Yes.

>> And we would start h my memory is that

she was laughing as hard as I was. My

guess is [laughter]

that maybe she was laughing cuz I was

laughing.

>> Yeah. But but I remember sort of feeling

like I was partnered with her in

enjoying this extraordinarily funny

pingpong bit.

>> Yeah, laughing does do that with our

families. Like it b I mean

>> it's a Yeah, it's a binder.

>> Binder. And also you learn a lot about

somebody by what they laugh at.

>> Totally.

>> Like I know I've learn I learned you

know I got I I don't think it was the

first time we met but when you came back

to host SNL was a big deal for all of us

who were on the cast at the time that

you were there. very excited and we got

to like spend some time together and I

remember being so pleased that we would

laugh at the same thing like it felt

like oh I just felt um

excited that we were enjoying the same

things in the same way. It felt like we

were speaking there was real immediate

sympatico. I remember that very well

because when we were we were in in the

we were must have been re um rehearsal

day or something and we were in 8H and I

I was at the page station thing and you

came up to me. You just went like this.

You went, "Okay, run." [laughter] And so

I just ran and we just went running down

the hall. It was just some dumb bit. But

I thought, "Oh, I like this girl so

much." [laughter] We were just, you

know, talking around.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think when

you came back to host that year, you had

a really good time.

>> I had a ball. I had a ball. And by the

way, if you can believe this, speaking

of male female things, I was the first

female cast member to ever come back and

host.

>> Wow. Whoopsy daisy.

>> Yeah. And that was 2006 or something,

>> correct?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. and you were coming into a cast

that was like there was a lot of really

strong talented women performing

together and

>> it was a good vibe. At least that's what

I was picking up on. It was the first

time I really had fun doing the show.

>> Yeah. I mean, what was so nice about

hosting back then with you guys

>> was to feel

the female power

>> that was evident

>> um and long overdue.

>> And so that is a good feeling. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um and that's why I like talking to

these older women, too. Anyway, I think

it's pretty critical to have these

conversations and to hear from these um

really interesting people.

>> Well, I mean, Julia, you do that to me.

You inspire me every time I see you

engaging. Like, I feel very inspired by

you. Like I I feel very like you you

turn on a switch for me often where I

see you doing something and I'm like,

"Right, right. that's the kind of

engagement I'm supposed to be doing or

like being reminded that I'm doing like

you definitely do that for me and you do

that for me professionally too. I see

the the moves that you make

professionally. I'm like damn

so smart, so interesting. Like you're

you are I'm always looking to you.

>> Oh wow, that's so nice of you to say

that. Really makes me feel good.

>> Yeah, I really feel that way.

>> I really appreciate that. Thanks, Amy.

>> You're welcome.

>> What a good hang this has been.

>> It is. Okay. And then my last I have two

questions. One that's fun and one that's

a little bit more serious. But like um

what I take away from your show and what

I take away from knowing you is like the

incredible

uh total joy and privilege it is to just

get older. Like there's so many people

that aren't here that want to be here.

Like how how great to be alive

basically. Like

>> so great. And

uh as we get older, it feels like

adultting, this this term adulting, like

it just gets hard because you know the

hard parts of life are the juiciest

parts. Like the challenge parts that we

have to get through are the that's the

meat on the bone. It's just it's

>> getting through can be rough.

>> I know. And you've had a tough couple.

You've had to get through illness. Yes.

>> Loss of your house, like um loss of

people in your life. Like it's not easy.

And we all go through this like

everybody listening knows what this

feels like. They have versions of it in

their life.

>> Grief.

>> Grief.

>> What is the thing that

>> on the other side of certain types of

grief you've like learned about

yourself? What what has it made you? Cuz

is it just as simple as like I'm happy

I'm alive?

>> No.

>> Yeah. I know. like you you've sh you

shared with the world when you were

going when you were treating your

cancer, your breast cancer, and it was

very helpful for a lot of people. It

isn't something you needed to share. You

did.

>> Well, I had, you know, I was kind of uh

backed into a corner on that one because

we had to shut our show down. I It's

funny how that worked out because

normally I would not have done that. I'm

very [clears throat] private.

>> Yeah. Um, but because we had to shut the

show down, VEP at the time for a year,

uh, I had to say, you know, 250 people

weren't going to be working or whatever

it is. So,

>> um, so I had to make a public thing

about it. But the good thing about doing

that was that uh I did have this

incredible experience of people reaching

out to me asking me for

you know um asking me about my

experience going through the breast

cancer uh you know for advice

uh and

>> and I was able to help and there was

something unbelievably comforting

about being able to do that on the other

side of this uh trauma,

>> right? There is a lot to be said in self

soothing by soothing others.

>> Yeah. You know, for real. I mean, it's a

that's a and I don't mean to sound all

polyianaish. I I actually think it's

true.

>> Yeah. I agree that like to be to be of

service to others is the way to get

yourself up out of the basement. Yeah.

It's so true. Yeah.

>> And we need it's like we're in such

short supply of it right now. And the

other way that I think that

>> and I think you're the same that takes

me up from the basement the elevator is

laughing.

>> Well, [laughter]

100%. Without it, you're dead.

>> It's so true. Like you have to laugh.

>> You have to laugh when it's the worst.

You have to laugh.

>> And those are my favorite laughs when

it's very when everyone is, you know,

it's like church giggles basically. or

like funeral laughs where like you have

a someone who loves you enough to know

they're going to take a swing here to

get you up out and you have so many

funny friends.

>> Yeah.

>> You must have had so many moments where

things were dark for you and someone

kind of scoops you up with a laugh.

>> Oh, totally. Well, when I was actually

when I was going through chemo and um I

had a a lot of girlfriends come and

shove into this tiny little room, you

know, I mean, like the size of this

table and everybody was there and

>> I was high as a kite [laughter]

>> and and and I was doing this thing

called a cold cap.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> So, it's a thing that they do that you

can do if you're getting chemo if you

choose. And it's this ice cold thing you

put on your head and it's supposed to

help you not lose your hair. So I did

that. So I had this huge like weirdly

shaped turban on my head and you know

I'm kind [clears throat] of like that

and everybody's around me making fun

[laughter]

>> and it was a dream. That's dream.

And at one point I remember I sent a

bunch of my girlfriends out because I

was I lost so much weight none of my

clothes fed. And so I was like, I need,

you know, hi, I need new jeans. And so I

sent everybody out. I don't know where

they went. And then it's on FaceTime and

I'm telling them which ones to get. It

was fun. It was hilarious.

>> So fun.

>> Yeah, it really was.

>> And what are you and I ask all my guests

this, what are you watching, listening,

reading?

>> What are you What are you laughing at

right now? Well, there is nothing I love

more than those videos of either dogs

like that one dog who keeps attacking an

apple slice.

>> Don't Don't know it. Hold on. [laughter]

It's It is

>> attacking an apple slice.

>> Yeah. He's just going bananas on top of

a bed. How do we find that?

>> We're You know what? How we find it? We

type in dog attacking apple slice.

>> I think it's his name is It starts

>> Our phones are off. Remember, we're

going to have to turn them back on.

>> No, mine isn't off.

>> You never turned your phone off. Puppy

shares Apple Slice. No, that seems too

nice.

>> Oh, here we go. [laughter] Spud on

Instagram. Okay.

[laughter]

>> This dog is just attacking this piece of

celery.

>> This one is celery.

>> This dog is a maniac.

[laughter]

>> The dog is growling. It is the size of a

rat. It looks

>> and it is furious at this piece of food

and is bearing its teeth. I mean, it's

scary.

>> It's scary.

>> And but it's it's not going to hurt

anybody.

>> Oh, this is this is a strawberry

introduc. It's war.

>> Anyway, that makes me very happy.

[laughter]

But do you do you watch a lot of videos,

YouTube videos, and like and

>> I I think what I I'm

[laughter]

Survivor,

>> but let me just ask you something about

Survivor.

>> I also like Amazing Race.

>> Okay. Survivor and Amazing Race, those

kinds of shows.

>> Do you think you could do well on them?

>> No.

>> No. Really?

Is there a part when you watch it, is

there a part of you that you think like

I this is what I would do, but you

don't?

>> Yes. Okay. Okay. What I would do

[laughter]

is uh pretend to break my leg and get

airvaced out. [laughter]

Have you watched Alone?

>> Yes. Incredible.

>> Incredible.

>> Okay, let's talk about Alone. So, for

people that don't know, I think it's on

National Geographic channel, maybe

History Channel, and now it's on

Netflix. I mean, there's a 45,000

seasons of it. And

>> 45,000. And I think we watched every

episode during CO.

>> Yeah. Fantastic co show. And for those

who don't know, the premise is 10 or 11

people are dropped somewhere. It always

feels like Canada, but somewhere they

have to survive the elements and survive

being alone. And the psychology of how

people figure out how to not only find

food and shelter and outlast their

competitors, but the psychology of what

happens when people are alone is

fascinating.

>> I I'm for sure would go crazy. Oh, but

don't you think you would do on alone?

Are you out of your mind?

>> Better than a Really? You don't think

you would do better than some of the

other? Yeah. No, I I wouldn't be able to

get any food. I wouldn't be able to kill

anybody.

>> So, that would be one problem.

[laughter] And then the other problem

would be I don't think you'd be able to

sleep cuz you know they got bears up

there man.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's I mean, I don't know what head

space you're in right now, but there's

no way you're making it on alone. No

way.

>> I'm not saying I'm making it. I'm just

saying.

>> I'm not saying I'm saying you're not

making it one night.

>> Not even one night.

>> You're gonna be too cold. You have to

make a show.

>> My pride. My pride would do one night. I

would.

>> Okay. One night. Not really. [laughter]

But I I love alone.

>> I love it. Why do you love it?

>> Because I think it's an extraordinary

challenge. I think it's a legit, you

know, and it's and as a, you know,

survivor, it's got all of these things

and these games and so on, which is gobs

of fun, but it's all fabricated. In this

case, you've really got to stay alive.

>> And you don't know when other people

have peeled off. They don't they don't

die, but they they they tap out.

>> Yes.

>> How much do they win?

>> A million dollars.

>> A million dollars. And what I love about

the psychology of that show is the way

cuz I relate is the way people start to

give up before giving up.

>> Oh, wait. Talk about that. I forgot.

>> Because they start to And I just I I

love it because I recognize it, right?

Which is when you start to talk yourself

out of something, but you're not talking

yourself out of it yet, but you're just

playing around with the idea because

it's such a mental game. You have to

just take the highs and lows and like

Right. Right. But when people are like,

"Yeah, it's just, you know, my family.

>> I'm sure my family's missing me a lot."

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> It's always men, you know, being like,

"My wife is probably struggling." And

you're like, "Oh, here he goes."

>> Like just a little day or two before

just thinking about

>> That's right.

>> I mean, I I do want the money, but

>> will my kid ever be ever have their

third birthday again? You know, and

you're like, "Here he goes. [laughter]

He's getting ready. couple days from now

he's gonna tap out like that kind of

bubbly stuff. I love human behavior. I

just like

>> it's so good.

>> I want to watch Alone with you and I

want to watch um Jerry the new jury duty

with you and Oh, wait a minute. That

would be fun.

>> That would be fun. I would like to watch

TV with you. [laughter] Okay,

maybe. [laughter]

Is that weird? I want to come over and I

feel like get into some kind of comfy

situation with you and Brad. Get under

some kind of not that way just

get blankets

>> and get blankets.

I feel like there'd be a good snack like

a chip like a delicious salty chip.

>> Yeah, but we need some yummy um we need

some desserts happening.

>> Ah, are you sweet over savory?

>> I like it all.

>> Yeah, but I love sweets.

>> Okay, I'm more more savory. So, we can

have sweet and a chip and some kind of

chip.

>> Okay.

>> And we watch one of these shows and we

I'm picturing it now.

>> Have you ever had dill pickle chips?

>> Yeah. Doesn't do it for you.

>> Doesn't do it for me, but I love the

idea of them.

>> Oh god, it's making my mouth water just

talking about it.

>> Let's get some of those.

>> We'll get some of those. But you don't

like them, so we'll find something else.

Do you like salt and vinegar?

>> I enjoy a salt and vinegar. Me too.

>> Yeah. Love that.

>> Love it. And also I'm a basic Doritos

[ __ ]

>> Really?

>> I know. Not a sponsor is now. [laughter]

Not after what you the face you just

made.

[laughter]

That's the That's the slogan. I'm a

Doritos basic Doritos [ __ ] Really?

[laughter]

>> That's it. That's the commercial.

[laughter]

I love you, Julia. Thank you for doing

this. This

has been so fun to hang out. I knew it

would be fun. I didn't know it would be

this much fun.

>> And I can't wait till I reach 70 so I

can come on your show.

>> Yeah.

Thank you so much, Julia. That was so

fun. It's always so fun to get to be

around you and uh and laugh with you and

do bits. And um for this polar plunge uh

I just want to mention uh one of the

guests on Julia's podcast wiser than me

who I just love and that is the author

Ann Lamont. Ann, if you're listening, I

love you. And um if you don't know Ann

Lamont's work, um she is a very prolific

and um successful author who has written

books like um Operating Instructions and

Bird by Bird and Tender Mercy's many uh

many works of fiction. and her latest

book, Somehow um Thoughts on Love, is

out. And uh she's just a really candid,

funny, deeply funny, tender, um big

thinker. And uh I don't know, I just

love her and uh hope I get to have her

on this pod someday. Check out her her

uh podcast uh with Julia. Check out

Julia's podcast. Listen to podcasts.

Podcasts are great. We love podcasts.

Okay. Thanks. Bye. [laughter]

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