Transcript: Gwyneth Paltrow on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. We have a great

guest today. It is the one, the only

Gwyneth Paltro. Gwyneth and I, we we get

into it. We're going to talk about a lot

of things. We're going to talk about um

codependency,

um Bone Density.

I mistake her for Nicole Kidman and um

and will never forget it for the rest of

my life. Um and and also we talk about

her new film Marty Supreme out now uh

and her return to acting. So it's it's a

great conversation. Um and but you know

we always do this thing before our

guests come and join us where we talk

well behind their back and speak to

someone and get a question from them.

And joining me via Zoom is the director

of Marty Supreme, Josh Safy. Josh uh has

made an a bunch of really amazing films

including Good Time with Robert Patson

and um Adam Sandler's Uncut Gems and

this is another you know big hit. So

let's join Josh and see where he's uh

where he's talking to us from. Hi Josh.

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>> Am I catching you in a trailer or in the

back of a kitchen?

>> Yeah, in the back of a kitchen.

[laughter]

>> Where are you? Where are we talking to

you from? I'm in I'm in uh I'm doing

Grueling Press in London and I they

double booked me. They this was kind of

added late so I'm actually eating in the

kitchen.

>> And I said can I do it?

>> They said can I do it in the bathroom?

And they said no cuz we need to have

access to the bathroom. I said do you

have anywhere that I can do it? So I

said the pastry thing because it's like

morning stuff. So they said it's pretty

the traffic here is quite minimal. So,

>> well, you know, as a director, it kind

of makes sense that there's some

interesting depth to this shot.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I I hope so. I mean, I

actually am hoping that people There's

some really good pastries here.

>> Yeah.

>> Really? Like, look here.

>> Let me see. Let me see. Oh, jeez. We got

a croissant. We got

>> Can you see that?

>> Yeah. There's like a braided something.

What is that?

>> Hello. Sorry. [laughter]

Now there's someone coming to get the

pastries.

>> Thank you. Thank you

>> listeners. Now the someone came behind

and are grabbing the pastries from

behind our set and we're going to need

those pastries in there for continuity.

We got to get those pastries back. Josh

>> some more. So [laughter]

>> we haven't had a chance to meet you and

I am a huge huge fan of your films and

your work.

>> Sorry. Wait listeners, there's another

person behind Josh getting some more

pastries right now. This is amazing.

[laughter]

>> Well, it's hard to make a good movie.

Congratulations on making many. And this

movie seems awesome. And you you work

with Gwyneith and Timothy Shalamé, so

many other great people in your film.

First of all, your casting is super

interesting. How do you approach

casting? You're like you have someone in

mind when you're writing or like h how

do you approach casting in general? Um I

for the mo I for most of the writing

process I try to think of somebody and

write with their voice. So like casting

Gwennneth is reason why I wrote it for

her is like I have this memory of her

obviously she's was acting until pretty

recently but I have this memory of her

as like a teenager as like a kid in the

movies like you know obviously her

earlier like seven and and hard a PTA

and Fincher and my cinematographer shot

seven like those were like early like

you're into film you're like wow these

are so but then like talented Mr. Ripley

and Great Expectations and A Perfect

Murder, amazing movie that she plays and

later Two Lovers by James Gray. I mean,

she's talked about as a movie star who

hasn't acted in a long time immediately.

And that I think for her also was really

really special um because it was it was

easy for her to tap into that, but she

like brought she's cool. She's like

>> like a boulder, but also a feather at

the same time. M.

>> So, she's like she she brings that to

the movie in such a great way, but she

she sent to me right before we started

shooting. I I I scheduled it so that the

first thing that we shot was um her

like acting on sta her character acting

on stage for the first time in 25 years.

So, and she turns to me, she's like, I I

hope I remember how to do this. And it

was something so like this person I like

looked up to and one of my the greatest

actors and I just you know revered her

and now she's coming to me and she's so

vulnerable and it was so human. It was

so like perfect. It was so perfect.

That's the thing I think is so

interesting about Gwyneth is she

balances those two things like a lot of

real like self-awareness and self-

assuredness and confidence and then a

very open creative and vulnerable

quality. Both of them a lot and and I

really um I'm so interested in talking

to her about exactly that that moment in

your film. Can't wait to hear you guys

talk about

>> the moment in the film when she is on

stage and she kind of gets this glee

that she's great moment. Great moment.

>> Yeah. And and and you and it's shot so

beautifully and captured so beautifully

and it does feel like we're talking to

her in that moment when she's feeling

like I'm an actress again, whatever. And

do you ever even really stop? And to

your point, I mean, she is one of the

guests that I feel like is the most

projected upon. She is used to being

looked at, which is already hard a hard

thing. Like she she can withstand being

looked at. [laughter]

>> That's a hard thing. I can't.

>> No, I I

>> I can't I like I got my wife and I got

married in at city hall partially

because I didn't want to like stand on a

aisle and get looked at. [laughter] And

she's like, as people say, she's got

that dog in her, you know, and she can

she's she's a lot. I mean, when I first

went to meet with her, I just kept

telling my agents, "Just just please

just get me in front of her." I was like

full on Marty. And I pull up to her

house and I go in and there's this thing

that Hollywood does that people don't

Sorry. Um,

>> but there's someone else coming for

croissant spot.

>> Uh, [laughter] people people don't know

about this and it's something that I

like learned in Hollywood a little bit

later. It's like when you go and you

meet someone in particular, someone of

power,

>> you go in and they have this trick that

they do. I'm sure you know about this

where you have the assistant or someone

they work with comes in after 15 minutes

and they say, "Oh, you know, we have

your next meeting is here. Do you want

me to push it or do you want me to like

do you want to, you know, jump now?" And

they that's like a little thing is to

get them out of the meeting like this is

a hard one. I'm going to get out of it.

And I saw her her assistant come in

after 15 minutes. It's like, "Oh man,

that was so brief." And but it was we

were really connecting on the the

history of this character. She's like,

"No, you know, just push it." I was

like, "All right, I'm in." And she

pushed it like four times. So when I

left, I was like, "I think I did it. I

think I like convinced her to do this

just based on the push rule." And

>> well, I know you are about to eat. And

um there's nothing more st, you know,

it's the first rule of directing. When

you have a croissant in the shot, you're

going to have to eat it by the end of

the of the

>> one of the ones with the little Look at

this over here. Look at this.

>> Let's see what else we got. Josh is

directing us. Ooh. Oh, chocolatecovered

donuts. Um, okay. So, uh, to to finish

out, we I asked my guests, uh, my, uh,

Zoom guests to give me a question for,

uh, the guest I'm talking to today. Is

there anything big or small, you know,

important, non-important that you would

want to hear in this conversation with

me and her, or like you wanted to always

ask her or advice or thoughts or

anything that comes to mind?

>> Oh, man. Uh, what did your son think of

the movie? beautiful because you guys

just had a premiere. He just saw it and

I spoke to him very briefly and he was

he felt

>> he like had this kind of high about him

but I didn't get to talk you know you

get pulled in all these directions but

um I wanted to talk to him more and his

his name is Moses and the dog's name in

the movie is Moses [laughter] and Moses

Moses is the purveyor the moral he's the

moral purveyor so

>> I love that and also Josh I just find it

so awesome that you know as the movie is

coming out and it's getting these huge

reviews and it's it's out people are

getting to see it. You still care about

what people think of it, you know, like

it's it's important for you to hear how

it's

>> in the roomating in the room. I try not

to pay attention or read the stuff.

>> Well, I'm here to tell you like

>> Oh, THANK I HOPE IT'S A HIT, [screaming]

BABY.

>> OH, THANKS. [laughter] You got a you

have a good meter on you, so that I'll

like think you're not bullshitting me

there. So,

>> Oh, it's a hit. The kids love it. The

critics love it. Awards all day, babe.

Get ready. I don't believe in jinxes.

Thank you so much for your time. I can't

wait. Send me a photo of you eating any

baked goods that you get to get in that

kitchen.

>> Okay. I really hope the camera didn't

see me touching the food. [laughter]

>> Uh, thank you so much.

>> Thank you so much for your time. Such a

pleasure.

>> Have a good time talking to G. She's

She's It's like talking to a movie star.

>> I I can't wait.

Okay. Thanks so much, Josh. Appreciate

your time. Bye.

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>> Gwyneith is here. Gwyneth Palro is here

and we're checking her earrings. I I

mean,

>> I feel like maybe

>> I feel like I need to come to you for

this advice. I I I'd love to I'd love to

see one off.

>> I agree. [laughter]

What about that?

>> I like that better.

>> God, [laughter]

>> no. I'm thrilled that you took my

>> Oh god, these are the worst. Yeah,

>> I felt like they're like these big

boingers. Like, [laughter]

>> why do I need to do that?

>> And were they clipons?

>> Yes. And they were really painful.

[laughter]

>> Yeah. Thank you.

>> Yeah. I don't think you need to boing it

up. No more boers.

>> No more boing big boingers on your ears.

[laughter]

>> That's what we're saying for 2026.

>> Hi. [screaming]

I'm so happy you're doing this. Thank

you for being here.

>> I have not seen you in such a long time.

>> No, I was trying to think. Um I feel

like the last time we may have seen each

other was Rob Low's 60th birthday party.

>> The most incredible younglook

60-year-old in the world. Rob Low.

Incredible.

>> It's all the plastic surgery.

>> Yeah. Over and over and over again.

>> Over and over. Um, I mean, and and I I

feel like I I I got to see you briefly

there and sat next to your wonderful

husband and had a really good convo with

Brad, but um

>> yeah, that was it. But we didn't get to

>> We didn't

>> we didn't get a good hang. You know what

I mean? [laughter]

>> I'm very excited to talk to you today.

>> Oh, thanks.

>> Thanks for being here.

>> Please lower your expectations.

[laughter]

>> I do enjoy a low expectation, too. Um

but um I wanted to kind of start in the

present. You play this character and

Marty Supreme who is coming back to

acting.

>> Yeah.

>> You are also doing that in a real way in

the film. You haven't been in a movie

for 10 years. Yeah.

>> And there's this really beautiful moment

in the movie where the actress hears the

response and it's really cool and and

has this feeling of like just I don't

know joy of being doing something again.

Did you feel that when you were making

this movie?

>> I did. I did feel it. I was so um

I don't know. It was like such a special

group. You know, sometimes you do a

project and you're like, "Oh, this feels

really special." You know, it feels like

it feels like we're making something

worthwhile. I don't know if people will

like it or not, but it's like a real

swing and everyone's great at their job

and

>> and so I was like, "Wow, I think I

missed this." You know, it was like it

really it it it felt so

>> I don't know like

not pedestrian, like it felt very unique

and like special. So, we had this thing

where we talk to people uh behind their

back, well behind their back before they

come on. Oh boy. Okay.

>> And we talked to Josh Safy.

>> Amazing.

>> And what was it like to work with him?

What kind of director is he? What was

that experience like?

>> It's just great. I mean, he's brilliant

and kinetic and

>> you know what I love about working with

him too is you never quite know what

he's going for.

>> So, you never totally relax.

you know, you're like, "What is he

actually saying?" Like, "What what do I

or like he'll you'll do something one

way and then he'll

>> ask you to do the exact opposite and

then back to the first way." So, you're

like, "What do you want? What are we

going for?" And I think that's by

design, you know, to

>> sort of unearth something surprising or

very real or

>> do you like that when people keep you

challenged a little bit?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah,

>> I do. Like,

>> cuz it's like a trust that they feel

like you can handle it. as long as I

think they're a good director.

>> Right. [laughter]

>> Right.

>> Right. Because when someone's doing when

you're

>> I'm sure you've had this happen. There's

no worse feeling in any job that you do,

anywhere where you show up where you're

like, uhoh, the person in charge is not

ready or

>> Yeah. Good.

>> It's just I think what happens as an

actor on that set is you

become risk averse. Mhm.

>> They're like, "I'm not going to go too

far out on a limb here cuz I don't know

if I'm in safe hands or not."

>> Are you the kind of person that would

take over a situation if there wasn't a

good captain? No.

>> I mean, I would like in the AD

department. I do anyway. I'm like,

"Guys, come on. Let's go. What are we

doing?"

>> Me, too. I'm I actually It's actually

like a problem I have to work on, which

is like stop trying to shape the day,

>> right? I mean, I just like I think

>> I have an efficiency issue, you know,

and

>> like when I I think what also really

messed me up was when I went to go do

Glee and I saw how much they got done in

one day.

>> TV is incredible. It's a machine.

>> It's like you are never sitting there.

We work all day. Everything's so quick.

>> You leave the set and you're like, "Oh

my god, we accomplished so much."

>> You know, we're like on a Marvel movie.

You're like in your trailer for

[laughter] 14 hours.

>> I know. And and and for and then even

take take TV and then go to SNL which is

emergency room which is like we need

something tomorrow.

>> No problem. And then in films it's like

6 months out and they're like we can't

do it anyone going to come and get me.

[laughter]

>> I'm going to die.

>> I'm going to die in my trailer.

>> You know time is really weird.

>> It's weird.

>> Yeah. Like time is your currency. like

that's the only thing that's important

left.

>> That's right. And we're not getting

they're not making any more of it.

>> So Josh was so so and and he said

something very sweet like his question

um for you which is is such a director's

question and such a question from a

director whose film has just come out is

what did your son think of the movie? He

wanted to know what Moses thought of the

movie.

>> That's so sweet. He loved the movie.

Yeah,

>> he was I mean he I after the screening

when I saw him I said he's like it it

was incredible. It was I mean I had to

kind of watch like this because there's

some kissing.

>> Sure.

>> So that he was not a big fan of

>> but other than that he loved it.

>> So many people project so much stuff on

you Gwennneth. Like you get so much

stuff projected on you. And

>> you spoke uh at the Hollywood Reporter

event. you were receiving an award, the

Sher Lanc Singh um woman leadership

leadership award and you spoke really

beautifully about it about this idea of

versions of ourselves because I do think

that every woman every everyone man

woman understands that like

>> hopefully if you're doing some work and

you're having some life experience you

keep kind of shedding stuff and figuring

out things about yourself and having

those versions kind of be out in the

world is really difficult because people

get to have opinions about it but

everybody understands that feeling.

Yeah.

>> Okay. With that in mind, I want to go to

like the tiny doll, the the little

Gwyneth because

>> I I kind of I I know people that knew

you when you were little.

>> You sure do.

>> You know, um Maya Rudolph went to

elementary school with you.

>> Um what do you remember about being with

her when when you two were little little

people?

>> Well, our fathers were best friends from

Two Lane University.

>> Wow. And so Maya came to our elementary

school right after her mother died,

unfortunately.

And I remember my dad saying, "Oh, my

friends, you know, daughter's coming."

>> And we just became great friends since 7

years old.

>> Yeah. Um, you know, I think our our

senses of humor really developed

together

>> with, you know, our other best friend

and or a couple of them and then they

all went to high school together. I

moved to New York, but um stayed close

with them forever and ever.

>> It must be nice to have Dick Rudolph,

Maya's amazing dad in your life, too,

because he knows so much about your dad

who passed. Like to have somebody who

knew your dad when that's always

important right?

>> It's so important. It's like it conjures

them again, you know, when they're in

the room, they they talk about him and

then it's like all of a sudden you feel

the person. It's so nice.

>> So then you go to New York, you go to

Spence. What kind of high school like

what who are what are you like in high

school? Are you confident?

>> I think I So I I we moved to New York

City when I started seventh grade. M I

was coming from California, you know, so

I was like a very rare bird.

>> And um middle school is so brutal.

>> I know. It's

>> It's so tender. It's very tender.

>> It's like scarring for life. I think

>> it is. And it's very um Everybody's

trying on a lot of things. Like maybe

I'm emo, maybe

>> maybe I like I only talk to animals,

>> right? [laughter] I was trying all kinds

of things.

>> How old were you when you did your Was

Heart Your first film with PTA?

>> No, my first film I was

probably 18, something like that. I had

a few films where I had like one line,

>> you know. Um,

>> it's sometimes it's hard to have one

line. I know

>> cuz there's a lot of pressure

>> and you're like in the mirror saying

your one line and [laughter] saying it

again.

>> Did you ever get fired from a job? I got

f I got fired from like I worked in

Madison Avenue at a toy store and I got

fired. But you mean like a movie job?

>> Why did you get fired from the toy

store? Do you remember?

>> Oh, because I was work My parents always

made my brother and I have jobs after

school. And so I didn't know that like

Oh, every everyone doesn't just go on

spring break like people [laughter] have

jobs.

So I went on spring break and then you

didn't tell anybody.

And then I came back and I remember the

look on the woman's face. She's like,

>> "Where are you?" She was like, "No toys

were sold."

>> She's like, "You, this is not how life

works." She's like, "You You're you're

done here." I was so crushed.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I was like 12. It was really It was

brutal. [laughter]

>> 12.

>> I should have sued her for child labor

law violations. [laughter]

Um,

>> yeah. But anyway, I I feel like I got I

did get, you know, I was supposed to do

a movie at at one point where

and it was like right after the kind of

conscious uncoupling thing with Chris

and there was like a lot of a lot of

harsh stuff in the press

>> and I think the distributor was like

this might be too

>> too hot to touch.

>> Interesting. They were like we don't

need the heat.

>> Yeah. Interesting.

>> So that was great because I was getting

a divorce and then [laughter] I got

fired off and it was so awesome.

>> You were like, "Oh, sorry that my

divorce is bothering you."

>> Yeah. Sorry.

>> I mean, if I can stay there for a

second, boy. Uh, [clears throat] you

were ahead of your time.

>> Yeah.

>> You really were.

>> Uh, because you did,

>> which is good and bad. [laughter]

>> I know it's not probably not easy. I

think you've been in that position

before. But you you like you gave a word

you g and it wasn't your term. It was a

term you were talking about.

>> Yes.

>> Uh to to like bracket this idea that if

you want to you can try to make um the

dissolution of a marriage be one that

isn't

>> deeply painful. You can try your best.

You can have all the feelings, but you

can still try together to make like a

conscious effort to do that.

>> That's what you were talking about. And

it's really interesting that people had

such big reactions to that.

>> Huge. Because I think like say you had

had a really nasty divorce

>> or your parents had had a really nasty

divorce

>> and then you hear this idea that like

you don't h it doesn't have to be done

this way. I think the implicit learning

is like, "Oh, fuck." Like, they're

saying I did something wrong. Like,

>> and which of course was not the

intention, but I think of course that I

mean that makes sense to me. Like,

>> oh no, like is is the inference that I

messed someone up. Like that's not a

nice thing to contemplate.

>> So, I do understand why it was so

personal for people cuz it was like you

only get see that kind of reaction

>> when it's personal. So true. And I think

too, you know, we all we're all like

when we're defensive

>> Yeah.

>> about anything, it's saying a lot about

about something.

>> And when we're hurt, we we say things we

don't mean, you know, we get angry, we

respond. Like that's human. That's

humanity.

>> Yeah. Comedy is a little bit interesting

in this way too, which is like what we

ridicule, like what we make fun of says

so much about us. like what we laugh at

makes it so much what we think is

>> and

>> it's it's it tells on you like it really

tells on you totally.

>> Um

>> you reveal yourself.

>> You do. Um and I have to say I've always

really admired your sense of humor about

people's reactions to things like you

have to you have to kind of have it. And

we got to experience I mean we we I got

to like do SNL with you and see how

funny you were and it was really fun. We

did have fun. I was just thinking today

about the stuff that we did together.

>> Do you remember?

>> I was thinking about that [laughter]

>> I was thinking about that sketch we did

where Will played our dad and we were

like our angry dad

>> and we were like gangster teenagers like

thinking we were we gangsters.

>> Yeah. Like I think the joke of the scene

was we just quietly ate dinner. We were

like scraping.

>> Yeah. We would we would like have an

outburst and then go back to like

quietly eating like awkward teenagers

with the family. The second time I was

definitely less nervous. The third time

I was

>> Yeah. I feel like I got to sort of enjoy

it and it was fun to like

>> meet different incarnations of the cast

and stuff and like I think I was on like

Jimmy's first season.

>> I know there was a sketch with you and

Dr. and Jimmy when they used to do like

Sully and Denise like Boston teens.

>> They were at the prom.

>> Oh my god. That's right. I totally

forgot about that.

>> Yeah. And you did a pretty good Boston

accent, I have to say.

>> Thank you.

>> It's not easy.

>> It isn't easy. And now I married a guy

from Boston. So

>> does he does he I mean Bostononians are

really picky about the Boston accent,

you know.

>> Well, there's different kinds. There's

sort of the Petrician one and then

there's

>> which is pretty much gone. Kennedy one

is kind of gone

>> and the there's just like kind of your

local

>> Dunkin Donuts doesn't have

>> really a Boston accent except like on o

words like he's like stock

>> he says yeah you can just like it's like

very

>> Oh that's nice he's like socks it's

[laughter] just subtle but it's there

>> totally socks

I get it when I get a little angry or a

little tired

>> you do I had a a hard time when I would

do parks and wreck with the word um I

still have a hard time with it.

Government.

>> How do you say it in

>> because I want to say government,

>> right?

>> Like I want to go I want to skip over

the e rn. I want to get rid of the r.

>> Yeah, get rid of it.

>> Yeah, who cares?

>> Who cares? Say it your way. [laughter]

>> Okay. You You're an actress. You do 15

movies in 5 years.

>> Wow. That's psycho. [laughter]

>> I mean, babe,

>> that's problematic.

>> How did you do that?

>> I have no idea. [laughter] It's probably

why I quit for 10 years afterwards.

>> I was like, "No, I'm not doing that."

>> No. 15 years.

>> That's insane.

>> I know. Can you imagine? I just like but

like this sort of touches back on what

we were talking about which is

>> I didn't feel like I knew myself and had

the agency to say yeah no I I I felt

like I better just keep going and going

and going and I didn't bring a lot of

strategy to it

>> you know.

>> Yeah. Well, you don't know what you

don't know. Like we can't be tough on

ourselves. We were you know you're

trying to figure out especially in your

20s. I mean your 20s is I think a really

difficult decade.

>> Oh my gosh. It really is.

>> It is.

>> Then there's so it's just you don't know

at all who you are.

>> If there's a problem, do you like people

how do you like people telling you about

a problem? Let's say

um I'll make up a problem. Like let's

say someone uh isn't isn't going to show

up for something that you want to do.

Like you're you're scheduled to do

something and it's not going to happen.

How do you like being told about the

problem?

>> Just straight up.

>> Yeah, that's what I suspect.

>> I don't want to preamble. I don't want

you to soften the language. Just be

direct.

>> Same. A direct approach. It's always And

and are you direct with other people?

>> Yes. Now I am.

>> And

>> I didn't used to be.

>> Do they Do you What do you do when you

notice that your directness

makes them uncomfortable? What do you do

with their uncomfortable feeling?

>> Yes. Well, I'm a recovering codependent.

>> So, I used to

do anything and everything not to say

the thing that would make the waters

choppy.

>> Mhm.

>> And then I realized how many more

problems I caused. Like real problems,

you know?

>> I so relate. Can you say more about

this?

>> Yeah. Like I [laughter] think

when you don't say what needs to be said

in the moment to spare somebody else's

feelings, first of all, like you're

rejecting the truest part of yourself.

>> Mhm.

>> And then it's going to come out another

way. And that's like you'll end up being

dishonest. You'll end up not saying what

needs to be said. You'll end up

stringing out some lame relationship for

eight extra months and treating them not

so nicely because you have stuck

yourself in something, you know, you

just make a mess.

>> Yeah. So,

I think around the time I turned 40 is

when I started to move into this like I

really need to stop doing this. And I

worked with a coach

>> on how to hold the uncomfortable

feelings of somebody else and

disappointing somebody else. I really

had a problem with it with men. Like

when I worked with men, really hard time

disappointing them

>> um or saying something that wasn't

aligned with their version of things.

and and now um I don't know and then

it's so self-honoring when you just

speak the truth and you can do it very

kindly

>> like and it's also not your

responsibility to take care of

somebody's feelings when you've simply

said the truth

>> it's a huge and not just women everyone

needs to learn it but especially when

you learn as a woman our age

that people are responsible for their

own feelings it sounds like a very

simple thing but it's very very hard to

learn

>> Yep. Yep. Yep. YEP. [screaming]

[screaming]

>> Now that you're in a new film, like are

you able to look back at some of the

films that you've been in and see like

be kinder to yourself about stuff? Like

are you able to be a little bit sweeter

to yourself about anything? Yeah, I mean

I think

as far as the work is concerned, I think

now that I had such a long break and

things have changed and

>> you know it's like now I'm like the

venerable old, you know, you know what I

mean? And like I did this interview with

Jacob Allerty the other day and he was

like, "You've done this and this." And

I'm like, "Fuck, I'm old as hell." Like

>> it's so weird. People are like, "My mom,

I remember my mom loves you." [gasps]

When my mom was in high school, she

loved SNL. Oh my god.

>> Can I get a selfie for my mom?

[laughter] Like, how old am I? Like, um,

but I I do think that, you know, there's

there's been a bit of a It's so

interesting because now I'm like, "Oh,

yeah." Like, I did these things that

now, you know, at the time you don't

think that they're going to be

>> Yeah.

>> whatever. And then it's like, you know,

people send you 10 pictures every

Halloween of Margot Tenon Bomb costumes

or like people say like, "Oh god, I had

a sliding doors moment where I X, Y, and

Z." You know what I mean? It's like,

>> yes. Cultural things that stuck.

>> Yes. Exactly. And and I and oh, I worked

with this great director in his first

film and this one and his second, this

one is first. I'm like, yeah, cool.

Like, I did do that stuff. That's neat.

you know, and it feels like

>> for the first time, I'm able to feel the

impact of the work that I did earlier in

my life.

>> Okay, so with that in mind, I'm going to

do a quick speed round with you about

your movies

>> cuz you've been in so many

>> and I feel like you've talked about them

forever,

>> but here we go with speed round.

Shakespeare and love.

>> Uh, what words help you get into a

British accent?

um

you know it's like the vowels like you

sort of have to change the placement of

the vowels like so any any words like um

uh the a's the o's and and words like

perfect

>> cold mountain how cold was the mountain

>> I wasn't in cold mountain

>> oh forget it then

>> but thanks for thinking I'm Nicole

Kidman bonus [laughter]

Wait, why did I bonus?

>> I don't know, but I'm so happy shut.

What was it like working with your

husband, Tom Cruz?

>> Oh, he was hot.

>> Yeah, I bet. Iron Man. Um, is there a

lot of waiting around? You answered

that. That was my question. Is is there

a lot of waiting around on Iron Man?

>> So much waiting. [snorts]

>> Crafty must be good. Marvel Crafty must

be insane.

>> I don't know.

>> Oh, interesting. They cheap out on

>> You know what I have to say? I think

like I think

snack foods can be dangerous

>> and snacking is like at least I I know

for me is completely emotional.

>> Yeah,

>> completely emotional.

>> Yeah, it is, isn't it?

>> Yeah. It's just like if you're not

having a cigarette or you're going for

>> those were the days.

>> I know. Remember cigarettes?

[gasps and sighs]

>> We talk about it here and we know

they're very bad for you, but God

>> God,

>> you came up with such a great time. I

know, man. I

>> I know.

>> You know what I decided when I'm like

87? I'm going to start smoking again.

>> Fantastic. I mean, I remember when we

were in the 2000s when there was a lot

of that. And then also, you were the

first person to say the word macrobiotic

>> biotic diet. You were on a macrobiotic

diet.

>> Yeah, that was that was a great phase

where it was like cigarettes and tofu

with the brown rice and the seaweed.

Like I don't know what I was [gasps]

>> just cleaning your house while it's on

fire kind of thing. Exactly.

>> Yeah. Okay. Um sliding doors. You you

mentioned it. Do you ride the subway?

>> Do I ride the subway? Yeah. I mean I

haven't in a while because I don't live

in New York City anymore, but when I

did, I took it all the time.

>> Go pretty incognito. Like do you feel

like you can kind of blend?

>> Yeah, I feel Don't you feel like New

Yorkers are just they don't care?

>> Yeah. Uh Contagion. Was it weird that

everybody was watching it during the

pandemic?

Yes,

>> everyone was watching it.

>> I know.

>> Everyone got really into dark [ __ ]

>> I know.

>> And it's like they wanted to see

>> you dying from

>> I know. [laughter]

>> Your character. Your character.

>> It was very It was

>> weird.

>> I know.

>> Um, royal tenon bombs

Halloween costume.

>> Yeah. [gasps]

>> And so much more.

>> And so much more. You're smiling. What's

your

>> I just love I really love that movie.

>> Yeah. That's a great movie.

>> And I had such a good time making the

movie.

>> Yeah.

>> Such a cool charact. She's so cool.

>> She's so cool. She's so cool.

>> I know. With her wooden finger.

>> I know.

>> Her cigar. Talk about cigarettes.

>> I know. And I had quit smoking and then

I had to smoke in the movie and

>> and you were like, "Oopsy."

>> I was like, "I guess I smoke again."

[laughter]

>> That um fur coat. Whose idea was that

the

>> costume? It's all Wes. Wes Wes Wes knows

every how he wants every

>> single

prop and costume and everything. He's so

wonderfully specific.

>> I loved that. Like I loved stepping into

this drawing, you know, of his.

>> Yeah, that's what it felt like. It's so

cool. Talented [snorts] Mr. Ripley, did

you speaking of clothes, did you have

use any of your own clothes in that film

or did you keep any of the You're so

>> I should have kept some. You know, I

should have kept some I wish I had kept

a couple like one souvenir from every

movie,

>> but I never thought to do that at the

time. I

>> I

Annne Roth, who's like the most

legendary costume designer, did that

movie and um so she was just so amazing.

Oh, I love those costumes so much.

>> But legendary costume designers can also

be really intimidating. Like they

because they they don't let you keep

anything.

>> That's true.

>> View from the top. Do flight attendants

talk to you about that?

>> They do. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

That's the that's the that's the best

part of having done that movie.

>> Do you ever think about like a fantasy

other job you would do? Would there be a

job like it whether it's flight

attendant or like where you would feel

like you'd be good at it?

>> I would like to be a chef if I wasn't

like I think I could have done that.

Well,

>> I love cooking and food and

>> Yeah, that that would be I I could have

like a little restaurant somewhere,

>> you know?

>> Um a hook.

>> Yeah.

>> Robin Williams. Oh my gosh. I I didn't

get to do

>> I thought you were just about to say I

wasn't in hook.

>> No, I was panicking. [laughter]

>> Panicking. Don't Don't think I will

forever

think all my whole life that I said you

were in Cold Mountain.

>> What?

>> I just want you to know

>> this is an honest mistake. I mean,

>> Nicole Kidman and I are very [laughter]

>> interchangeable. Thank you very much.

>> But Hook, did you work with Robin? No, I

didn't.

>> Did you get to know him?

>> You know, I only got to know him a bit

when Goodwill Hunting came out because I

was dating one of the people who wrote

that movie and was in that movie.

>> We're well aware [snorts]

>> and um so I got to know him then.

>> So you guys were dating during Goodwill

Hunting. Fantastic Boston movie

>> after.

>> Okay.

>> But when it was coming out

>> and so he was around for that press and

stuff. Yeah. He's so good in that movie.

That movie really is.

>> I love that movie. It's a perfect movie.

>> I agree. It's a fantastic movie and it's

so um uh it's so uh uh like rainy day

movie. It's like a rainy day.

>> And the um and um

>> Elliot Smith who did all the music and

Gus like it's just perfect. I love it so

much.

>> What's a rainy day? If what's a movie

that when it comes on you're like

jackpot I'm going to watch it. like a

rainy day,

>> you know, a plane movie, something if

you're like, I gotta watch.

>> I like like all the 80s movies, you

know,

>> like like Santa almost fire.

>> I will never not watch that if it's on

>> I, you know, getting back to Roblo.

>> Mhm.

>> Rolo as we called him on set. I would

just sometimes like sit there

>> always [laughter]

he loves and he's never had a he's never

really had a nickname he said. And the

best thing is it like didn't spread as

much as you guys tried to make it a

thing. [laughter]

>> We all call him Rolo because it didn't

go outside.

>> You know what I mean? And he really I

think wants it to go outside.

>> Of course he's he's like I've never had

a nickname.

>> I know. He loves it.

>> I remember like the first day on set me

saying no. It was his birthday and he

was shooting on his birthday and I was

like oh have you ever been on set for

your birthday and he was like yes like

400 times. And I was like, "Right,

you've had a long career." Um, Sando's

Fire Billy

>> Rolo as Billy,

>> as Billy, bad boy. Can't change him.

>> Heaven.

>> Heaven.

>> He was never my celebrity crush.

>> Who was?

>> I mean, well, Keanu Reeves was my first

like real,

>> but when I watched St. Almost Far, like

I wanted to like I would have gone with

Jud Nelson.

>> Oh, interesting. You wanted the more

professional. Yeah. Billy was too happy,

>> you know, really like smart and cheater.

Like that was my type. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> Also, when you rewatch that movie, it's

like everyone is so dressed so

professionally. I know. Like every we

really did dress like we were when we

were in our 20s, we dressed like we were

60 year olds.

>> Yeah. The ' 80s was And it's happening

again now. you know, like not the Wall

Street thing, but sort of like this

sort of grandma chic, like all the all

the hipster cool kids are sort of, you

know, it's like the soft everything's

soft shoulders and knitted things and

>> I got a quarter zip just for this

interview, so you tell me.

>> It's looking really good.

>> Thank you so much. You're welcome.

>> Um,

>> okay. And Han, both Han, you brought up

Rashidita. Both Rashidita and Han love

you and talk about how fun it is to hang

with you and and how

>> like they both, you know, and and

they're I think representative of a lot

of people who kind of want to know what

you think about things cuz they trust

your style. They trust your what you

said like the work you try to do to

figure out what is the best thing of

things. And it's not even about the

things. It's just like, is there someone

who's keeping an eye out? Um, keeping an

eye out and figuring out like, is there

a better way to do something?

>> You love that.

>> Love that.

>> Where do you think that comes from?

>> I think I'm an enog one.

>> Okay, jackpot. Here we go.

>> So, like I'm always trying to improve

everything.

>> Great. So, for people, I don't know

anyone who's listened to this who

hasn't. Hopefully,

>> what is anagram one? How would you

describe?

>> Are you into the enagram thing?

>> Very much.

>> Again.

>> Okay. Do you want to guess my number?

Nobody ever gets it right.

>> Oh god.

>> Here we go.

>> I'm always I always get the wrong I

always people guess the wrong number

which saddens me cuz I love Can I ask

Yes. Ask

>> ask some questions

>> please.

>> Okay. Like how would you describe

yourself as someone who really enjoys a

dinner party? Yes.

>> Okay.

Would you

describe yourself as somebody who is

very focused on achieving?

>> Yes.

>> Are you a a peacemaker?

>> No.

>> You're talking about three, you're

talking about nine. I'm neither one of

those.

>> I know. That's what I just gleaned.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

Um, so how

>> I have a Peacemaker

wing.

>> Okay. Ah, so you're a one. You're not a

one with a two wing.

>> Okay.

>> You're not an eight.

>> Yes,

>> you are. Okay. You're an eight. I know

this.

>> You're an eight.

>> I am an eight.

>> You're an eight with a nine wing.

>> Yes. So I'm not a monster, right? Cuz I

got a little peacemaker in me. But I'm a

I'm the ch I'm a challenger.

>> Okay.

>> And I and it's I I I think I hide it.

But I definitely relate to all of that

feeling of like

>> authority stuff and challenging a little

bit and wanting to lead and want and

feeling very happy with direct people.

Like I'm I I'm like you. Like I really

like when people tell me the truth and

are direct. I can handle it all day

long.

>> Wow.

>> But when people come sideways I'm like

what's going on?

>> Yeah. It's such a bad icky feeling

>> bad feeling. And I love anyagram ones

because ones

>> are on it.

>> Yeah, we're on it.

>> And they believe in like getting it

right. They're the hardest on

themselves.

>> Oh yeah,

>> they are really hard on themselves. Um

>> we are trying to make things better,

right? We're the reformer.

>> So you're always and I've always been

like refining to figure out what is a

better way to get efficient like to do

like

>> Yeah. to improve yourself, to feel

contentment,

>> to you know reduce inflammation, to be a

good partner, to be a good divorce

person.

>> Yeah. Okay. So, with your striving for

perfection in mind, I have another one

more speed round.

>> Oh,

>> okay.

>> Perfection speed round.

>> Here we go. Make it perfect. [laughter]

>> Um, cold plunge. A lot of controversy

about whether or not it's right for

women. I said that I do it and there

were a lot of comments saying it's not

good for women. Do you do it? Do you

like to do it? How do you feel about it?

>> Uh I do do it more sparingly like my

husband does it every single day.

>> So I spent a lot of time researching

this and what I think I understand that

the net net of it is cold plunging is

not unilaterally terrible for women. But

we kind of need to listen to ourselves

and maybe not the water quite as cold as

the men

>> like that.

>> Maybe not quite as long as the men.

>> Um, and you know to just be mindful of

where where we are, you know, if we're

exhausted and you know cuz it can be

quite taxing on the body. But it's still

there are still benefits for us.

>> Speaking of temperature, what do you

like for your sleeping temperature?

>> Well, the older I get, the colder I like

it.

>> Me, too. Um, I like, you know, in the

60s.

>> Yeah, me too.

>> I love it.

>> Crazy. [laughter]

>> Alcohol after 50.

>> Oh, why did they have to ruin it for us?

>> I know. It's like It's a dis It's a

disaster.

>> It's such a bummer.

>> Coffee?

>> Yes, big time. I'm a big coffee drinker.

>> Uh, how do you how do you drink your

coffee?

>> With he raw heavy cream.

>> What?

>> I know.

>> Shocked. I know

>> that's very New York of you and not

California.

>> I know. I know. Good job.

>> I'm I'm like the alt I'm not the alt

milk queen.

>> Yeah, same.

>> Yeah. Oh, do you have regular milk?

>> I have cow milk.

>> I have half and half.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> No shame in it.

>> But I don't really do coffee. I do tea.

>> Oh,

>> because coffee is a little

>> very English.

>> Okay. Lemon water.

>> Love it.

>> Great. Bone density. What are we gonna

do about it? We are gonna we're gonna,

you know, talk to our doctor about

potential estrogen supplementation.

>> Totally.

>> We're gonna do heavy weights.

>> Yes.

>> Lots of heavy weights.

>> Are you doing heavy weights?

>> Yeah. I do it on this giant really heavy

Pilates reformer thing called the Lree.

>> And fantastic. That seems to be good

right now.

>> Yeah. Reformer.

>> It's called the Lree. It's very, very

good. And we're gonna gag down protein

70 times a day. [laughter]

>> Bone broth. Has that come and gone?

>> Bone broth is great. I still I still

like bone broth. I

>> I I think it's it's fantastic for your

gut. It's full of protein and collagen,

all the things.

>> For some reason, people thought I I only

drank bone broth. That I I'm but I I'll

have it as like a cup of tea in the

afternoon.

>> That's my favorite way to have it.

Interesting. Uh, sleep routine. Talk me

through it.

>> Okay. So, I have to take a bath every

night. And

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. Have to. Non-negotiable.

>> Interesting.

>> And if there's not a bathtub, then I

have to shower. Like, I got to get the

day off with water. And I think part of

my good sleep routine is eating dinner

early. So, not going to bed on a full

stomach.

>> Yes. What time do you like to eat

dinner?

>> I like it at 6:00.

>> Okay. Me, too. [laughter]

I make my reservations at 6:00 p.m.

>> So do I.

>> I love it so much.

>> So great.

>> And I honestly sometimes I like to be

the first person in the restaurant.

[laughter]

>> I I was last night.

>> Mhm.

>> I did 5:45 last night.

>> Incredible.

>> I know.

>> To be in bed and have eaten by 8:00.

>> Is there anything better?

>> No. I think about bedtime all day.

>> Me, too.

>> I love it so much.

>> Me, too. So much. And then Brad and I

usually watch something in bed, which I

know you're not supposed to do.

I know. But, you know, it's so deeply

relaxing to me. Like, get in there in a

cold room and like watch some serial

killer [laughter] doing something.

So great.

>> And then, you know, go to sleep and then

>> Oh, I have mouth tape and earplugs.

>> Mouth tape.

>> Yeah, I'm big into the mouth tape.

>> I know that's controversial, too. Mouth

tape because there's a whole mouth tape

movement. There's pro. There's But but

mouth tape is helpful. Do Are you a

grinder? I'm a grinder. So, it's helpful

for me. Also, I really believe that

there's no oneizefits-all solution.

Like, we're all so different. Totally.

We have such different genetics,

different phenotypes, different

>> tolerances, allergies, toxic loads.

Like, we're all This idea that one thing

works for everyone, I think, is not

true.

>> See, this is why we love you, Gwyneith.

You It's true. You just said all this

stuff and it was like

you're

you are not selfish. You are not a

gatekeeper.

>> No, that I am not.

>> You're like, I'm trying this. Would you

like to try this? I don't think this

works, but who knows? You are It's

interesting. It's kind of like the the

um

>> even though you're maybe consider

yourself a person who's trying to get it

right, you're not afraid to like try and

fail with things and you share it with

us. For sure.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I I believe in

>> I mean also because I'm such a

researcher and such a guinea pig like I

want to share

>> I want to share the learnings. Then take

it or leave it.

>> Okay. And then the last thing I'm going

to ask you about is um what is making

you laugh?

>> So the thing that's made me laugh the

hardest in like the past year.

>> Mhm.

When was the SNL thing that I lazily did

not go to? Cuz I

>> You didn't go to the SNL 50th? No. Wow.

What?

>> I know. It was a mistake and I regret

it. So, I just want to say that out

loud.

>> You were like, "Oh, that's You just

thought like

>> I was like, that's I'll wait another 50

years." [laughter]

[laughter]

>> I was like, "It seems like I I had so

much work at the time.

>> It's going to be hectic."

>> And I was like, "I got to go all the way

to New York." I had something the next

day so I just couldn't go.

>> But I watched the

thing at um Radio City or whatever. What

was the night before thing?

>> Yes. Incredible music show the night

before. [laughter]

>> Wait, what are you going to say? I love

it. I don't know. I'm going to I'm going

to try to

>> When Anna and Will

>> Yes.

>> did the church thing.

>> I talked to Anna about it. Bobby and

Marty.

>> Did you write that?

>> I wish. No. Paul, the great Paula Pel,

>> incredible writer on SNL and performer

and Anna and Will do these Bobby and

Marty cult.

>> I I and she started singing Kendrick

Lamar. [laughter]

>> Yes. And what Anna said which was so

incredible is

I got to tell you something and I I

think I said this Anna but I just want

to extrapolate for a second about it. To

me, it was so it was like such a win for

the comedy kids because it was such a

cool night. They literally followed

Lauren Hill. They came on after Lauren

Hill and their job was to settle

everybody.

[laughter]

>> They had to go like, "We're going to

wait. We're going to wait until you stop

talking. Quiet." They kept telling

everyone to be quiet. And it was so to

me that's like that I don't know what

brand of comedy you call that but it's

like that funny bones

>> where what what what was the Kendrick

Lamar song? She's like um Oh, we got we

got to look at it for a second. It was

what was it? [laughter]

What was it?

>> Please.

>> Yeah, let's just watch it and I hope we

can get it on like it's the 50th SNL. It

was like on Hulu or something like that.

>> Here we go.

>> Honestly, I

[laughter]

[laughter]

>> [laughter]

>> commitment. I'm sorry.

>> I know the commitment

>> kind of humor. What do you call that?

I'm sweating.

>> Like real. To me, what I would call

that, honestly, it's a great question.

To me, I would call it like committed.

[laughter]

Spit take.

We got a spit take. Our first one.

[laughter]

We know our first spit take on Good Hang

and it's Quinn. [laughter]

It's all over my skirt.

>> Here we go. Here's some tiss Good hang

tissues. [laughter]

[laughter] I can't breathe. It's so

funny.

>> Wait, let's play it again.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm sweating. I'm dying.

[laughter]

[gasps]

>> Oh my god. Okay, so that's called sketch

comedy. [laughter]

>> I need a fan.

>> We're having a hot flash.

>> Oh my god.

>> I'm the one in the quarter zip.

>> A sketch comedy induced hot flash.

>> Yes. I feel like what you're talking

about is real, which is I feel like it

is commitment. It's commitment. Here,

I'll take it.

>> I'll pick it up on my way out.

[laughter]

[gasps]

>> I feel like it's commitment and I feel

like it's characterbased sketch comedy

with music.

>> That's how I describe it.

>> It's so to me that's like the funniest

thing I've ever seen. [laughter]

>> I know what you mean. I like, you know,

it's like these weird specific things

>> and in person it was so funny.

>> That was really fun.

>> It was really fun.

>> Gwyneth, I'm Thank you so much for

coming on. You're such a good hang.

>> You're a good hang.

>> Thank you so much, Gwyneth. It's so fun

um to hang with you. Uh and you gave us

this first bit take that we've ever had

on the show and we hope it's not the

last. So, thank you so much. And, you

know, for this polar plunge, um, I want

to talk about polar plunges. I want to

talk about cold dips. There was a lot of

controversy when I brought it up last

time, and I am here to just remind you,

you don't have to do it. I like it. It

makes me feel alive slash like I'm going

to die. And I like it. I know it might

not be good for all women. And um, maybe

it's not good for me. I'll find out.

Okay. But I'm gonna keep plunging and um

it does make me uh feel better. Okay.

[laughter]

I don't know. I don't know what to say.

I appreciate

um I I I'm not telling anybody to do it,

but if you want to do it, I think it's

great. [laughter]

Okay. Anyway, thank you so much for

listening. Thanks for joining us and see

you soon. Bye. [applause]

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss [music]

Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is

produced by The Ringer and Paperkite.

For The Ringer, production by Jack

Wilson, Cat Spalain, [music] Kaia

McMullen, and Alia Xanerys. For

Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel

Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss Berman.

Original music by Amy Miles.

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