Transcript: Brandi Carlile on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone and welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. We have the

talented, funny, warm, incredible Brandy

Carile joining us today. And boy, I feel

like we became really good friends in

this interview and we talked about so

many good things. We talked about her

music and meeting her heroes. We talked

about hair and the changing hairstyles

and how that defines you. We talked

about her new record, Returning to

Myself, and how great it is. And um we

may have even harmonized a little bit,

so get ready for that. But uh before we

start this interview, we always talk to

a person who knows our guest and uh

wants to give me a question to ask this

guest. And boy, we have a star in her

own right, an incredibly talented

singer, songwriter, musician from Texas,

Marin Morris. Marin, you know, from all

of her hits, from the High Women, which

she performed with Brandy, and she's

just incredible, and uh we are so

thrilled to have Marin with us today.

So, Marin, hi. Can you hear me?

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all I ever wanted.

>> Hey Marin.

>> Hi.

>> How are you? Where where are we talking

to you from?

>> I am on tour right now in the UK. So I'm

playing a show in Manchester tonight. So

I'm backstage.

>> Oh gosh. You're in pre-show mode.

>> Yeah. But I got ready a little bit

earlier today to look okay for you. Um,

and yeah, it's it's kind of nice weather

today, like breezy, good walking

weather. Um, but yeah, I'm excited.

>> We're talking to Brandy Carile today.

Um, really appreciate that you're here

to talk to us about her because the work

that you you did together um uh with

with the high women was was so special.

When did you first meet Brandy?

>> Well, thank you so much. I remember when

I met you at that uh Beatles event, you

had mentioned um that you you loved the

Highwoman album that record.

>> I think a few months later, I was on the

Tonight Show talking to Jimmy and he

brought up the picture of us and I was

so embarrassed because I was crying when

I met you. I'd already had like three

glasses of wine. Oh my gosh, you were so

sweet to me that night. Um

>> of course, you're it's such a pleasure

to meet you. I love your music.

>> Thank you. Uh, but yeah, the High Women

Record, that was like pretty early in my

relationship with Brandy. I think we

just clicked and we met randomly at this

event in Nashville where I was receiving

an award for something, but they were

also doing a bunch of duets that night.

And so I remember Brandy um and I both

sang

uh Carol King, also Artha Franklin's You

Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman. And

having been a Brandy fan since probably

junior high, uh being able to sing that

song with her and just go toe-to-toe

vocally um was so fun. I think it was

probably a few months later. Um, Brandy

called me and I get it was like the day

or the week my second record was coming

out and I was at 30 Rock. I was at the

Tonight Show like randomly and um just

in the dressing room about to go on. She

calls and she's like, "I'm putting this

girl group together and I want to know

if you want to be a part of it. It's

going to be me, Amanda, and Natalie

Hemi." And I was like, "Uh-huh." and she

goes, "It's kind of like a a tribute or

extension of the Highway Men, like the

Willie Nelson, Christofferson, Johnny

Cash, uh, Whan Jennings, um, record."

And I was like, "Oh my, I'm in." I

didn't really have any more questions. I

didn't have any questions.

>> Um, amazing.

>> And it was just,

>> yeah, like a sort of microcosm event

because we did that one album. We did a

few shows. We did like Newport Folk

Festival

brought out Dolly Parton, which was

insane. Um, but a lot of these really

major career moments, uh, like that I

treasure that are my crown jewels are

the the Highwoman experiences.

>> Uh, what was it like singing with Dolly

Pardon?

>> You need to interview her. I think that

would be

>> Yeah, sure.

>> Dolly Marin said that we would be great

together.

>> She just moved from the long list to the

short list for good.

>> Dolly, anytime, anywhere. Um, yeah,

she's a just a a legend and and a real

hero of mine. What was she like to be

around?

>> I think very few people I'll include you

in this um exceed your expectations when

you have such a

a surveyed like history watching someone

or being inspired by someone from afar.

So yeah, just exceeded expectations is

uh really punctual. I love that she

because I put such a precedence on being

on time.

>> Oh wow. Of course Dolly is very

punctual.

>> Actually she was early.

>> Of course she was. Can you imagine

running late for Dolly Parton? That is a

stress dream. Like can you imagine just

like in traffic and you know Dolly is

waiting for you.

>> Yeah. Just disappointing her. I just

think I'd probably quit music. Um

>> totally. You just say you just call

ahead and you say, "I'm sorry. I'm not

going to make it in time. I quit. I quit

music Dolly."

>> But no, she's so lovely and um she's

obviously just like hysterical, dressed

to the nines,

>> I I mean, I assume she's maybe doing her

own glam because this is like sort of a

not filmed day in the studio, but she's

putting us all to shame because she's in

full hair and makeup, like 8 in heels.

We're both quite short.

Um, so we bonded over that.

>> How tall are you?

>> I'm 5'1.

>> How tall are you?

>> I'm a towering 52.

>> Oh,

>> what's what's it like down there?

>> Also, this is something that I hope that

I take away when I hopefully do this

decades and decades on is that she sings

every one of her songs in the original

key of the year it came out. Dang. A lot

of people have to as they age and

sometimes women um our voices mature at

like I think they say like 35 or 36.

>> I think about that with songwriters that

are people starting to be aware in their

30s and 40s that they need to sing in

lower keys.

>> Yeah. I mean I've found out the hard way

like

>> Yeah. when you go out

>> Yeah. And then you have to do it live

and like I made this way too high at

fast.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> but uh yeah just incredible singer. Um,

Brandy like really made it happen. I

feel like she's she's reached out to

these icons over the years and brought

them into a space where we can fall in

love with them over and over again.

>> That's what I want to talk to her about

is she is really good at exactly that,

drawing out the heroes of hers and of

ours and kind of bringing them in and

making them feel comfortable like she's

she feels like she's, you said it

yourself, she's like a doer. She makes

things happen. She's a producer. She's

also a good host, you know, she's just

making people feel comfortable, but

also, which I really relate to, is just

quietly making them do things without

them knowing that they're being pushed.

Like, she's a pusher to get things done,

but everyone feels good when that's

happening. That's a rare combination. I

think that being able to go witness

something

really communal and almost like church,

but for people that want to come

together in a way that feels inclusive

and safe for all and um yeah, just

connect through these magic vibrations.

I think, you know, just that's that's

her her rare gift.

>> That's so cool. Okay, so do you have a

question that you think I should ask

Brandy today? I'm just wondering as she

watches her girls get older and she's

making music and touring and

collaborating and achieving these

incredible dreams she has. Um

yeah, the integration of family

throughout that um I feel like has

always been really at the forefront for

her and Catherine. And I'm just

wondering like as her girls get older,

because my son's now five and a half, um

like what what is it like when they go

to shows now? Like are they excited to

be there? Are they proud? Are they over

it? It's a great question and actually

it's a question it, you know, it speaks

to the bigger idea of like being a

working mother. How does your kid want

you to uh you know divide your time and

and how do you divide your time and how

do you make your kid feel really seen

and um and also how do you pursue your

dream and not and be like a good model

for what it looks like to be a woman who

loves to you know loves what she's

doing. So it's yeah it's it's a question

I think working women are always asking

each other and I think that's what women

do so well is they say how do you do it

and what are you doing and how did it

change and what did how did five look

different than 10 and yeah great

question Marin I'm obsessed with you

>> I really appreciate that you're talking

to us on the before our show thank you

for that

>> no thank you

>> it's so good to talk to you have a great

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>> Brandy Carile is here and we're talking

already about SNL because you love doing

SNL.

>> I love it. Yeah.

>> And you love the time pressure.

>> Yes. I think watching all those people

thrive under pressure is just it's a

really unique thing. You don't see that

anywhere else.

>> I know. And we were saying that like the

idea of like time like a minute or two

in SNL time feels like years.

>> Mhm.

>> Because I've done live things where they

get you ready

>> and they put you at the side of the

stage and you're like I I know I have

two more awards before my award or

whatever.

>> It's like 40 minutes.

>> 40 minutes.

>> They get you out of your seat. You're

like at SNL you'd be having dinner up

town.

>> Exactly. They don't even come into your

dressing room or give you a warning at 2

minutes. That's like

>> I know, Brandy.

>> Hi.

>> Hi.

>> I love you so much.

>> Oh my god. Same. I love you. I was very,

very excited to talk to you today. And

you know, there's a million things I

want to talk to you about today, but

>> I want to stay in the present for a

second because I'm loving your new

record.

>> Thank you.

>> I love all of your music. Uh but this

one feels very very it feels like not to

imprint myself on it but it really feels

like it's speaking to me.

>> Um and you know it it's returning to

myself came out in October. As we start

today I want to ask you about the push

and pull between being like introvert

extrovert your push and pull between

being a connector and wanting community

and like needing time to yourself. And I

was kind of joking with someone that I

was saying what I love about Bry's new

record is is it feels like it's like can

I have 5 minutes to myself please?

That's what it feels like. that's in the

subtext and not very many people have

seen that about it but you have and and

I you know when I when I've been

learning about you it's like you know

you have definite benevolent natural

captain energy

>> and you like to bring people together

and you you know you live with a lot of

people you have a lot of people around

you live a life that's very big and has

a lot of people around and I love that a

lot of the songs on this record are

about can I just like figure out what I

what I actually want like who am I in

real time and when I'm alone M

>> is the music about that? Is the is the

record about what is it like to be

alone?

>> Well, it's definitely about who am I

when I am alone?

>> Who are you when you're alone?

>> Yeah. Well, I have sort of yet to figure

that out.

>> Same.

>> And really?

>> Yeah.

>> Is it because you prefer the company of

other people and then don't take the

time?

>> Yes. I Yeah.

>> Yeah. That's the thing. So, I don't

know.

>> Yeah. And I've got to an age now where

I've learned that that's sort of seen as

maybe unevolved in some ways.

>> And I got kind of self-conscious about

it

>> within the last year or two

>> and went, "Oh, am I is do I have a

madeup mind? Am I a bit uninvolved that

I haven't learned who I am

>> when I'm alone?"

>> That's So, have you ever thought about

doing a silent retreat?

>> I have thought about it.

>> Does it scare you?

>> It just really turns me off. Like I just

find that appalling.

>> I do too.

>> It's like what? Eight days of no

talking. Oh, a waste of time. I'm doing

a podcast and you can tell I like love

talking. But yeah, it's like okay. And

I'm always fascinated by people who are

silent in general. I'm always fascinated

by people who

stay still.

>> I I do find you have a stillness. You're

not a And again, I'm just getting to

know you, but I but I I don't feel like

you have a hectic energy.

>> Um, no, I don't think I do. And in terms

of other than just committing to a lot

of things all the time.

>> Yes.

>> And that would my So, my wife would tell

you that I am I am chaotic in that way.

>> Yeah.

>> But like not to bring up um uh trim

carpentry right away, but yesterday I

had the day off.

>> Have you heard about We've been talking

about trim carpentry on this episode.

>> Yes. Kate McKinnon.

>> Yes.

>> Big fan of trim carpentry and said she

spoke to you about trim carpentry.

>> Yeah. And and then I heard that you are

also a fan of trim carpentry but are

intimidated by working with wood

>> big time because Nick Offerman Yeah.

>> friend of the pod, friend of mine, also

incredible woodworker. I'm sure he's

into trim carpentry.

>> Sure.

>> Um

>> as you would be.

>> That just seems to me like next level.

What does trim carpentry have to do with

what we're talking about?

>> Well, the reason I was going to

reason I had the day off yesterday and I

just spent six hours culking window

trim, just trim carpentry for just six

hours. All I was doing was caulking,

just filling in gaps with like a bronze

colored caulk and nail holes and kind of

perfecting the appearance of the

carpentry. And I was doing it with this

guy that I used to play in a band with

when I was a teenager. And he's like

what I guess he's one of my best

friends. We only see each other once

every few years, but when we do, we just

get together and don't talk.

>> Wow, that's nice.

>> Mhm. There's like a bag of Fritos

involved.

>> There's like a bad radio station. And

there's just some curses of, you know,

occasionally when a mistake is made.

>> And I wouldn't have done that day.

That's not how I would have spent the

day if I had had the opt option to do it

alone. I wanted to spend the day with

him, not talking.

>> Yes.

>> And so that's how I do my time with

other people. I'd rather be together,

but that doesn't mean that I want to

like

lay myself down across the puddle like a

jacket to spend time with you. We may

not talk.

>> You know, your music reminds me of this

feeling and the record does too, which

is that feeling when you're in another

room and you can hear people talking

like there's a party.

>> I love that feeling.

>> Me, too. Cuz I like the party. I want

the party. I want people around, but I

want to not be talking.

>> When's your birthday? September 16th.

>> I wonder if that's characteristic of

your sign.

>> I wonder why are you What's your sign?

>> I'm a Gemini.

>> Oh,

>> June 1st.

>> Okay.

>> It's a very outward person.

>> I can't understand Geminis's. They

>> really Yeah, that look you just gave me.

>> It's like what are we get? What are we

getting?

>> Yeah, I know.

>> What are we getting? What's the real

deal? Gemini twin city.

>> Yeah, I know. I And I don't know. You

tell me.

>> Did you feel like when you were a kid, I

mean, you have eldest daughter energy.

Mhm.

>> You are, like I said, you are you're a

doer. I can you you like to get things

done and you kind of quietly motivate

people in ways that they don't realize

they're being pushed.

>> Stop it.

>> Game recognized. Game recognized game.

But okay, you grew up in the middle of

nowhere.

>> Yeah.

>> Was it quiet where you were? And were

you alone a lot?

>> It was chaotic.

>> Okay.

>> And I still live in the middle of

nowhere, but it was chaotic, you know.

>> Yeah.

>> Moved all the time. lived in tiny

places. A lot of times people lived with

us.

>> Um, lots of friends over, lots of jam

sessions, just lots of chaos all the

time. Unpredictable

>> environments that and I really thrive in

those. And I still have this like did

you have what was your childhood like?

Well, suburban in many ways, but small

house and everyone very kind of on top

of each other.

>> Um, and we were kind of the house where

people would come through. Mhm.

>> So it was nice that way because people

would come over but busy house.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And I felt like, you know, I wanted to

do a lot of hiding, like a lot of like

going into the woods and going like, you

know, getting on my bike and just like

>> Yeah.

>> like balancing quiet time and and busy

time, but but a lively house full of a

lot of love.

>> Yeah. I just realized my house like when

we just driving our it my house felt

like Saturday Night Live.

>> No way. People moving giant pieces of

furniture,

>> everything to the last second. Tons of

pressure. Anything could change. Nothing

is guaranteed.

>> You have a lot of ADHD in the house.

>> I mean, probably entirely. I would

think. I mean, I would think it's like

everyone would would be would fall into

that category last minute.

>> So, that explains why I love being there

so much because I'm like, why am I just

thriving in this environment?

>> You're just crushing like right before

the deadline.

>> Yeah. Just loving it. But that helps

with performing I think because you just

you know you can only have like so much

time in the day where I mean some people

spend their whole day getting ready for

their performance but you just have to

kind of create like a countdown for the

performance. You can't stay performance

ready all day.

>> No. And I mean depending on like what

your zone is and like what kind of

performer you are too, the the the

element of like risk involved gets

>> really um can get really heavy. Like

>> yeah,

>> I know exactly how to sing. Like so if

I'm it almost doesn't matter how high

the stakes are. Like if I'm going to

sing I'm going to be okay. But I have

this theory that that and I mean I could

be wrong and this is not to downgrade

anybody else's um pros but I think that

like musicians are obsessed with

comedians.

>> Have you not noticed that of

>> Well, here's my theory.

>> Okay, tell me. Every comedian wishes

they were a musician

>> and every musician thinks they're a

COMEDIAN

>> because I can't tell you how many

musicians have been like I'm really

funny and I'm like

>> well I'm glad they think that.

>> But no, we we get along. We get along.

Yeah,

>> because I think we really appreciate

what the other does and there's a

similarity, but also we sometimes feel

like I like I love I

>> my some of my favorite memories of SNL

is watching musicians. Like I just am in

awe of what musicians get to do. But

what do you think? Why do you think we

kind of love each other?

>> I think that, you know, musicians kind

of worship comedians because of the risk

that they're taking. like we know what

it means to do our thing and then have

that die to no reaction

>> and and then I think comedians just just

think they're at the top of the pyramid

just said

>> because they're so intelligent.

>> Well, and they also are like the

cockiness to your point, you have to be

cocky to get out there and bomb or

you're really in trouble.

>> I mean, what do you do? It's like it's

like I like I said, I can sing no matter

how high the stakes are. And if I'm

going to play 12 songs, it's not the 12

songs I'm afraid of. It's the 15 seconds

in between the songs of what I have to

say in that moment. That's what I'm

afraid of.

>> Okay. That's that's why

>> I'm not a musician because I would have

no problem with that. But the singing

>> Yeah. So if we like recreated the Indigo

Girls, like if we were a band together,

your banter and my singing would be

unstoppable.

You know, this is early in the

interview, but and I want to talk to you

about your heroes, but can we just talk

about the Indigo girls for a second?

>> All day long.

>> Okay. First of all, the fact that one of

them was called Amy was already like a

dream. Emily and Amy,

they you just you've heard them like

when you were like a teenager, right?

14, 15. And you say that they really

>> motivated you to pick up a guitar. I

mean, you were singing, but

>> 100%. Yeah.

>> What was it about them when you heard

them? Cuz I have a theory about what it

was for me, like what I why I was And

it's the same way I feel about your

music. So, go ahead. You first.

>> Well, I heard their voices first in that

film uh Philadelphia.

>> They were covering that Rodster. I can

tell by your eyes that you probably been

crying forever. And I was like, what is

that tone? like they don't sound

male or female. They don't sound like

they're singing to the same people that

everyone else is singing to.

>> There was just something galvanizing

about their voices and the way they were

making music that just like

>> pulled me out of myself as like a

14-year-old made me curious about who

they were.

>> It wasn't even one of their songs. And

that's when um my friend from school,

Brianna Graco, loaned me her um

>> Swampopilia CD.

>> And I was like, "What is this?" Listen

to these harmonies like who's singing

when it's staggered. It's out of it's

amazing. You know, and the drums really

what I just became so obsessed with

their musical complexity and harmonies

that I just became devoted a disciple. I

went to everything they ever did. I sat

in the line all day at like from morning

till night as a major fan. Still a major

fan. What drew you to them?

>> I guess sometimes it feels like there's

different artists. There's artists that

are in their own simulation, their own

kind of

>> uh world and you get to come in and

peek, but they're in their worlds like

>> right like and it has a style of dress

and a style of speak and like a

presence. There's a culture around that

>> and you can visit their world and you're

and you get to just peek in. And then

there are artists and I consider to you

one of them who are relaxed in the in

and honestly confident in their talent

just like they go girls and they say

come in come over like come over here

and they felt that way. We wanted to

sing every one of their songs. I knew

their lyrics. I felt like I sounded like

them which everybody who sings the

Indigo Girls think they sound good. They

don't. We don't. But and it's the same

with your music. like when I sing along

to your music, I'm like, I think I'm

really good because there's a spirit

behind it that isn't um uh that's that's

inclusive and that doesn't like shut the

door.

>> Yeah.

>> It it's really it's it's it's hard to

explain, but do you know what I'm

talking about?

>> I know exactly what you're talking

about. They're so unaffected. They sound

like grown ass women. They always have.

So like when they open their mouths to

sing, their actual voice comes out.

They're not trying to please

>> men or a certain kind of women. They're

not trying to sound like anybody else on

the radio. There was just something so

human about even with the clothes they

wore and the way that they presented

themselves. And you're right, that does

invite you in. And also the Ingle girls,

they come to you.

>> Like they're they're famous for like

touring the small towns and the sheds

and the community the

>> you know me and Dra played them on SNL.

>> Yeah, I do remember that.

>> Me and Rachel Drach one seat. It never

it never came back. I don't know. And it

was the Lance Armstrong comedians. Lance

comedies. Lance Armstrong was the host

and Neil Young was a musical guest.

>> What a night.

>> And we had Neil come in to the Indigo

Girls scene. Uh, and we just were like I

think we were just pretending we were

doing a talk show probably like, you

know, and um it was us and like 14 dogs.

>> Yeah,

>> that's exactly how Amy lives to this

day. I think she's probably only got

eight or nine right now, but

and I feel like um we'll move off to go

girls, but I just have to say that it

feels like as a as an elto um as a

surprising elto

um because you would think I don't know.

I think my voice I think my voice is

lower than it is, but I think it pitches

quite high. But

switching to your point, switching back

and forth, like wanting to decide if you

want to sing Emily's part or Amy's part.

>> Can we sing? Can we sing? Can we sing?

Okay, let's sing closer to Vine. Here we

go.

>> Sorry. Let me get my

>> We could not only do Could we do Closer

to Fine? We could do a deep cut. We

could do anything you want.

>> Okay, here we go. I'll try to do Amy's

part.

>> Okay,

>> you start from

>> I went to the doctor. Here we go. On

three. One, two.

>> What key? What key are we in?

>> I don't know.

>> I went to the doctor. I went to the

mountain. I should be lower.

>> Yeah. So, I think you're you're I went

That's you. I went to the doctor. Okay.

2 3 4. I went to the doctor. I went to

the mountains. I travel a little bit.

Just a little bit.

>> Little bit off.

>> Yeah. Just Yeah.

>> [ __ ] hell.

>> You're You're right there though. You're

in the zone. Let's go again. 2 3 4 I

went to the doctor. I went to the

mountains. I looked to the children. I

drank from the fountains. Girl, you got

it.

Look at how good you are, Brandy. You're

making me feel SO GOOD.

>> If I had a guitar, we would do nothing

else but cover in the girls for the next

hour.

>> I'm totally sweating. Yeah, I'm so

sweating.

That was so exciting. Who? But who was

who was the first person that told you

you had a good voice? Because when

someone says you have a good voice, like

it you remember it for a lifetime. No

one's ever asked me that before. I think

it was my grandma Dolores

>> or or my mom

>> and then definitely me.

>> I really felt like I had a good voice at

like seven years old. It's a [ __ ]

great voice.

>> But I didn't when I listen back to it

now, I'm like, "What is that?"

>> Oh, at seven.

>> Yeah. You know, but I actually got on

stage for the first time as like an

8-year-old. I got in like a community

theater show

>> called the Northwest Grand Opry where we

reenacted the Grand Opry.

>> So cute.

>> And you'd go on Wednesday night and

you'd teach the opera band your song and

then they'd get you out on Friday and

Saturday. And I was like the only kid

and and uh I did Tennessee Flat Top Box

by Rosanne Cash. And I just remember

like the very first time I did that. I

walked out on stage and I I wasn't

nervous. I had glasses on and I can

remember the lights in my glasses and

seeing the kind of silhouette of like

300 people and being like

>> this is where I belong. This is the

safest, most understood and loved place

I could I could ever I could ever be

like this is my job now. And it just not

never it never went. That just stayed.

>> Wow. And so the audience told you that

you could sing like in that moment the

audience was like yes, we accept you

here. You're great. And you knew it.

>> So great.

>> And the whole thing they would come up

to you at the end of the show and you'd

sign their program and you'd sign your

little autograph. And I just remember

thinking, "Yeah, no, this is it. this is

my job.

>> Wow, that's awesome. I I mean that's a

that's a good example too of like

feeling calm in stressful situations. I

tend to get like you I'm not so nervous

when I'm doing something sometimes after

it's done. I have like this discharge of

nerves. Does that happen to you? I was

reading an an article in the Guardian

>> that is it was such a smart article and

it made me feel so like stupid but kind

of proud to be stupid

>> where it basically says that like that

what you're talking about is totally

necessary in terms of performers these

like it's such a

>> unnatural thing to have your your

psychosympathetic nervous system to do

what we do

>> that you have to lack an element of

contextual intelligence to do do it,

baby. I lack it. I lack it. And they

they liken it to like people that can do

penalty kicks and like free throws is

like we have this thing where we don't

think anything could go wrong.

>> Totally. And I'm just And I kind of

dissociate in a way of like whatever,

babe. What's the worst that can happen?

I

>> Exactly. Yeah. And then if something

does go wrong, so if you do miss the

free throw or you do miss the penalty,

which you do all the time,

>> you don't think, well, of course I did.

Chances are I would. it's a tiny ball,

tiny net or what? You just go, "That was

weird. That'll never happen again." And

it's like that that repetition of

stupidity is what gives us our gift.

>> It's so true. It is. I mean, like, um,

uh, SNL is a really good training ground

for that. Live performance in general is

really good because you have a mistake.

Do you Does this happen to you when

there's a tiny mistake? Not a terrible,

like you don't want something bad, but

when there's a tiny mistake, do you get

a little energized?

>> Yeah. Because you're like, I got to save

it.

>> I can do one. I can't do two.

>> Yeah. And it's a little bit exciting.

>> Yeah. Cuz two mistakes, no. But one is

like kind of good.

>> Do you remember a mistake that happened

when you were performing and you just,

you know, I don't know, like a mic went

out or someone didn't come and meet get

the like and you just had a moment of

like pure excitement and that like the

tingle of that.

>> Yeah. But it happens so often there

isn't like a notable one. There's this

guy I know that does guitar. So like

this like guitar solo master and he's a

dude that like I've toured with just

because if I can have this happen twice

in a show it's like takes the show over

the top. So this dude and he will never

have meant this but like he'll start out

his guitar solo with like a couple of

like maybe stock licks or just like a

couple of notes that are like those are

tasteful.

>> And then he'll make a mistake and you

then it rallies everyone to his to his

support. like we rage to his side and we

go, "Oh, oh no, he's he might not have

this."

>> Like, "Oh, God." And then he looks a

little frazzled and he shakes his head a

little bit and he kind of does the next

lick and it's okay. And by the end of

it, he's just shredding and you realize

that there's no way he could ever make a

mistake,

>> but that mistake drawing everyone in,

not just to listen to him, but to like

they you want to support him.

>> Yeah.

>> And then his victory becomes your

victory. So, one mistake does that in a

performance or a song. two mistakes is

like she's not prepared.

>> It's so true. And you're absolutely

right. The way you take in the mistake

like haha.

>> Yeah.

>> I've always felt this about the way you

perform and seeing you like the way you

talk about yourself and your music and

your art and the way you look at like at

the business of it all. It's supposed to

be fun

>> and if you're relaxed, we're relaxed.

>> Yeah. If you're having a good time,

we're having a good time. It's like if

the bride has a good time at the

wedding, it's a fun wedding. Like,

period the end. But it's a hard lesson

to learn, which is

>> try to I mean, telling people to relax

is really hard.

>> Yeah.

>> How do you relax when you're about to

perform? How do you like how do you just

you just it just comes natural and

always has.

>> Well, you used to drink a little bit.

>> Sure. And if you work drink a little bit

and then you stop drinking a little bit

before you got on stage, then it's like

starting over from never having drank a

little bit. So that sucked.

>> Yeah, I don't drink anymore. It's like I

can't I can't handle it.

>> I mean,

>> like it just I just get too drunk too

fast.

>> I have no tolerance.

>> I drink a lot of things really fast.

Like I'm like a camel.

>> Yeah.

>> Um No, I know what you mean.

>> I could like just a little bit and

suddenly you're like, "Oh, I am not on

my game. Like I'm not a shark."

>> Right. And then it's like the spiral

afterwards. That's the thing I can't

deal with. And then like pretend the

spiral just happened in front of like

you know few thousand people and then

like whatever you say like you have to

like stand by that the next day.

>> So that is not we're back to the few

minutes before between the song.

>> Back to the few minutes between the song

where you decide to get like overtly

political in like an unironic way or or

you just you make the joke and you know

you were in the pick of Destiny.

>> Yeah. Tenacious D.

>> Yeah. I'm not going to tell the story

again. I just told the story on Stern.

It'll

>> Oh, you already told. Well, I don't want

any Stern. I don't want any sloppy Stern

seconds.

>> I don't want any Stern seconds. But you

were in the

>> But you got to tell when you I I love

Howard, but when you when you're on

Stern, you got to give Stern a good

story. Like, you got to bring some meat

to

>> I'm going to tell you the story and you

can sort it out if you want to, but I

just think that you appreciate this

because we are on the subject of

drinking and then getting on stage in

front of people. So, I thought everyone

had seen The Pick of Destiny. And I

mean, I don't mean to be offensive, but

like not everyone has seen The Pick of

Destiny.

>> And for people who should people, this

is Jack Black and Kyle Gas is Tenacious

D.

>> Yes.

>> So, Jack Black is in a band called

Tenacious D, which made a movie called

The Pick of Destiny, which is a real

cult classic.

>> It's a cult classic, but it was my

favorite movie, and I had memorized

every line. And these guys, because this

was like how I, you know, I was in bands

like this. They have to win the battle

of bands because they have to pay their

rent. But they're never going to win the

battle of bands without the pick of

destiny, which is like a piece of the

devil's horn or toenail or something.

>> Sure.

>> So, and it's like, but to win the battle

of bands, they have got to learn a

couple of moves. And one of the moves is

called the rock slide. The other move is

called the [ __ ] push-up.

>> Yeah. They used to do [ __ ] push-ups.

>> They used to do [ __ ] push-ups.

And so my audience didn't see the pick

of destiny, but I believed everyone had

seen The Pick of Destiny,

>> right?

>> So I was in Las Vegas and I was on stage

and I was having a few drinks and I

decided to jump off the drum riser

>> and my my knees the knees just didn't

hold. They just buckled. And so I kind

of like went on my knees and I kind of

styled it and I did like the the rock

back on the knees thing. And after the

song, I stood up and this is the this is

why I'm afraid of the 15 seconds between

the songs. And I said to the audience, I

said, "Well, now that you've seen my

rock slide,

>> now it's time for my [ __ ]

>> This is a good this is a good story for

Stern."

>> And that

that didn't go over. Nobody knew

nobody knew why Brandy was telling, you

know, a couple thousand middle-aged

lesbians that she was going to do a [ __ ]

pushup.

Do you ever?

>> So, I don't drink anymore.

>> Are you done drinking? Are you done

drinking?

>> I'm not done. I'm done drinking. I'm

working. Maybe.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I just

think it gets harder as we get older. I

just think it's like everything is

harder and and everything is better.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, it's better. What's good about

getting older?

>> Well, I mean,

>> what do you think is good?

>> Travel with this migraine medication in

my pocket at all times.

>> Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor.

>> No, it's unsponsored. But that's just

there.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. So, I can't really drink.

>> Um,

>> so, can we talk about these packages?

I'm not going to How do you get into it?

>> You rip it apart with your teeth because

you're desperate.

>> Well, that's cuz you have your own

teeth. Not everybody has their own

teeth. So, what were you asking? How is

it to get older? Okay. So, anyway, yes.

Getting older.

>> Every year I get older, I love being

older more than I loved being younger.

>> Yeah, me too.

>> I just love it. I like everything. I

like the way that my reverence has grown

and sense of humor has changed. I choose

myself in more situations. I like the

way my face looks. I like, you know, I

like it.

>> Yeah, me too. I mean, I don't think

enough people talk about it. They just

don't talk about like I mean, 50s have

I'm 54. The 50s have been my favorite

decade. Oh, by far.

>> That's what I think is going to happen.

>> Well, by far. My 50th birthday was so

fun. I mean, I know there's a lot that

comes along with it and especially for

people who don't feel like they're in

the place they should be. Like that

feels really hurt can be really hurtful

and stressful or they're not with the

person they should be with or they've

had a lot that they've gone through. But

I don't think enough people talk about

um how it just can get better and better

and better. We're just so we're just so

obsessed with youth, you know, and

>> yeah,

>> we're really we really and I love young

people too.

>> Yeah, me too. I love I love young people

and I'm always like, "Oh, enjoy that

space. Be there." You know, and I have

kids, too. And I'm like, "Oh my god, be

a kid. Be a kid." But if I'm really

honest, that wasn't my favorite

>> part of my life. Even if, you know, I

walked in front of a bus tomorrow

>> and I got to like my life flashed before

my eyes, I think I'd probably see the

last five years.

>> Yes.

Yeah. Very cool.

>> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of young

people that love you and

relate to you and feel seen by you

>> and love your music. And you do this

thing, I think, for a lot of people

where you bridge

um older artists and bring them back

into this like present world. And

there's a, you know, a million people

that you work with, incredible artists.

First of all, what is it like to work

with your heroes like Elton John, Joanie

Mitchell, like when you meet them? How

do you manage that feeling of Indigo

Girls where you are like, I was a young

Brandy was a a fan waiting outside and

now we're together and I'm going to, you

know, I'm kind of helping produce this

thing we're doing together. How do you

What's that feeling like? How do you do

it?

>> That's a really good question. And it's

a sacred feeling. It's a really sacred

feeling because like and I guess also

the older I get and the more young

people do come up to me and say things

to me that I remember saying to my

heroes, it like I'm I'm that kind of

fan. Like I'm a wait outside your door

bus kind of fan.

>> So like I'm hearing these words and I'm

like I remember those words

>> and I'm just remembering like I'm just

understanding how full circle life can

be and how human we all are. I actually

don't see I don't even understand like

what a fan is without the context of me,

you know, because everybody that like I

I really idolize like I've got to be

friends with.

>> And so there is a part of that

that never goes away and it's sort of

like sneaks up on you like dja vu or

something. You'll be in an interaction

that is feeling totally normal and then

suddenly one thing will flash through

the room and you'll be like, "Oh my god,

this is Elden Shot."

>> Yeah.

>> And it's like those moments are I really

cherish them. I just grab them and hold

on to him and I go, "Yeah, yeah, you did

it. You did it."

>> Yeah. And it's and it's also an

indication that you're still in touch

with that part of yourself like you you

don't feel like above it or beyond it or

over it.

>> Mhm.

>> It's really cool.

>> Yeah. And staying in touch with that

part of myself

keeps me honest in my responsibility

within my job to to other people

>> that like my music and and you know buy

that concert ticket and get the

babysitter and and you know get dressed

up and go out for the night. Like

>> I'm really going to show up for that gig

because I just understand

>> what's Elton like? I've never met him

and he seems incredible.

Like also he's always discovering new

artists.

>> Yeah. always

>> like he's really into new music all the

time.

>> You've never met him?

>> No.

>> See, that's the other thing is most

people have met Elton

>> because he's so social and he's just so

like you will meet him and

>> real extrovert.

>> Absolutely love him. Total extrovert,

>> but like one of those people that's

reached

maybe the most um iconic status that you

can possibly um reach with absolutely no

trace of narcissism.

>> Whoa. I know. Like he's competitive and

he's intense and he knows he's Elton

John.

>> I'm a competitive person.

>> Oh god. I know. So do I. You gota, you

know, you gota want to try to win a

little bit,

>> but he will ask you questions and listen

to your answers and be just genuinely

intrigued like by you, you know, and

that's why he's discovering all these

younger artists.

>> He's just an exceptional man. Once in a

once in a millennium, man.

>> And you and you've worked with Dolly who

just

>> That's another one.

>> What is it like to sing next to Dolly?

What does that feel like? It's Dolly

Parton.

>> She's impeccable. She does not miss. So

the standard is like so high. Like Dolly

is the boss.

>> And so when I show up for Dolly like I

show up on time, buttoned all the way up

to the top button and I don't miss. I

know everything I'm supposed to do. And

she doesn't like ask you to meet that

standard, but it's there. Like Dolly is

high expectations. And yeah, she's just

amazing.

>> And the work you've done recently with

Joanie by Joany's side is just so cool.

It felt like you were you were the

professional and the fan at the same

time on stage.

>> That's such a nice thing to say. Oh,

that's such a nice thing to say and a

nice uh way to look at it. I felt like a

student

>> a lot of the time because that music was

so

wildly

complex and inaccessible to me at verse

even though I was a fan of it. I had

never had to get inside of it

>> and learn the phrasing and learn, you

know, the key changes, the melody. It's

a roller coaster. The melodies are

roller coasters. You don't having those

twists and turns ready. And then take

that and combine it with the fact that

Joanie doesn't ever like to do the same

thing twice. And if she thinks if she

thinks, you know what she's going to do,

she's not going to do it.

>> So, it's a really wild thing getting to

sit shotgun next to Joanie. And as her

recovery has progressed and she's gotten

more and more and more that way, and I

see the spirit of who Joanie Mitchell

has always been

>> more and more every day that she delves

into her own music. And it must be so

cool to talk to like young teenagers who

are discovering her for the first time.

>> Well, they come up to me in mass. That's

probably the thing I end up talking

about the most and I love it. Like I

never grow tired of talking about Joanie

and the Joanie journey.

>> But like younger people and much older

people alike, that is the thing everyone

comes to me and says, "Okay, look, I've

got the Jonas Mitchell's lyrics tattooed

on my arm." You know, like really like

Gracie Abrams. Like that's how I met

Gracie. you know.

>> Yeah. I'm also thinking about that sweet

um uh performer um Benio. Oh yeah,

Phoenicio

>> who sang the joke with you

>> many times which is what an incredible

song and just the way

>> you know it's not easy to sing with like

legends and young people like who are

kind of just starting out on their

journey like the way you performed with

I'm like Chris Farley I'm like remember

that

that's my question do you remember when

you did it

>> I do I remember Venio

but like that wasuch A beautiful moment

too. It had really changed.

How does a song change depending on who

you perform it with?

>> That the Well, first of all, the

innocence of that with Benio, I was so

impulsive back then. I like I would just

the school I went to, the public school

I went to in the town I I I live in.

Couple times a year I'll do something

for them. I'll just go speak in an

assembly or whatever. You know, it

actually feels good to like

>> be cool in that school now that I'm an

adult cuz you were not as a kid.

>> Yeah. No. Owen was. So I, you know, I

went there and like Benio came up and he

sang that song and it was just, it was

stunning and I was like, I'm going to be

on TV next week. Come with me to New

York. And I could be so impulsive. Like

the stakes were like, I don't want to

say they were low, but it felt like the

stakes were really low like back then.

Like I didn't know what I was going to

wear. And I just took a kid from my

school with me, you know?

>> And I remember like it had been no big

deal to me cuz I'd already been doing it

so much at that point, you know. And

when we say on those um what was the was

it Seth or was it

>> okay? This is a great question cuz I

tried to look it up. I have a laptop. I

can't find it.

>> I can't remember which one it was. But

>> it was it said late show which could

mean 45 different shows.

>> Yeah, it said it had the word late in it

and I thought it was Jimmy Fallon but

then it might have been coar was late

night. I should be able to find it

>> but I cannot find it and also I'm not

great at looking things up. Well, they

in those in these shows, which I love

doing, they say you can go, you can

retake if you need to, but you don't.

You're not supposed to.

>> Yeah.

>> So, um, but Benio froze

>> and he totally froze. And we walked

backstage at at the thing and he was

just crying and I was like, Benny, I

understand. You know, it's like you're

so young and maybe I don't know. I

should have talked to you about this a

little bit more. It's okay. like,

"Listen, you're not supposed to retake

it, but let me go out and see if they'll

let us do it again." And they did. And

so the band went back out, reset up, and

we we did it again,

>> and I just the real lesson in that was

like, if there was anything about that

that was, I think, really good for

Benio's growth was

>> that that mistake, that failure, that

moment of, you know,

>> catastrophe turned into like a total

triumph. It was so triumphant and that

makes so much sense because your joy in

the way he was

singing with you like you could feel it

in that performance and it makes a lot

of sense that you were like really

excited that he was nailing it.

>> Yeah. And it was twice the victory

because he got it together like that

thing we have to do. We have to pull it

together

>> and just

>> that's what winners do.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean not like it's a competition but

well done Benio. Can I ask you your

relationship to your hair

>> because I it's a deeper question for me

about how we all play around with our

mask and fem energy basically. Totally.

you, you know, when you were young

watching Lilith affair and then when you

came out as an artist, like when I first

saw you, you know, you had like long

hair.

>> Mhm.

>> And I'm curious how how you have changed

and how your hair has changed and like

are they connected?

>> Yeah. And that's such a like interesting

and intuitive question. Like no one has

ever asked me a question like that

before, but and now I'm very conscious

of my hair. So

>> me too. I mean I think I think hair is

political, right? Like it and it it's

interesting our relationship with it and

it changes all the time and we're

telling people who we are by through it.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, somebody asked me recently about

coming out about like when I really

truly felt like I had like stepped into

my authentic self. And I just without

even thinking about it said when I cut

my hair. When I cut my hair. And at that

time in my life. Yeah. If you saw in the

Lilith dock, I had like a little boy

like almost buzzcut like haircut.

>> And I loved it. It was so freeing. I

loved having it off my neck. I loved

that my mom hated it. I loved everything

about like that haircut.

>> Yeah.

>> And then Yeah. And then I I've I

definitely have played around with and

felt comfortable moving in and out of

kind of gender

um representation throughout all of my

adolescence. And a lot of times it would

depend on my girlfriend, like what

girlfriend I had and like what her hair

was like.

>> But I've always liked how I looked

>> and changing that and and asking myself

if I liked

>> um you know where I was at. And yeah,

hair is like the first thing

>> it is

>> to address. Yeah.

>> You know, we kind of make jokes in in

the world where like someone has the

same hairstyle for 40 years. But what's

behind that? What's behind that is like

a fear of like if I change

>> Yeah.

>> will I recognize myself,

>> right?

>> Will I recognize myself? Because so many

people want to, you know, they want to

feel younger. They want to feel like the

version of themselves when they were

feeling the best about themselves.

>> That's what happens.

>> I know when so much of it is hair and

like we make fun of like men with

combovers for example, right? Like we

make fun of people who like won't let

go. But a like

>> I don't know. It's just there's just a

lot of self-esteem that comes from um

hair. I don't like making any sense

here.

>> No, you're making too much sense. Plus,

I do feel like for me, if I wanted to

grow my hair, I don't think it would

grow long past a certain point.

>> Yeah.

>> I feel like it would like actually

physically just be like, "Nope, you're

getting a bob.

>> Split at the ear."

>> Totally.

>> But no, I know what you mean. like that

that is something that that comes in all

the time and then add queerness to that,

>> you know, and like the gender issue that

you so intuitively pointed out to that

and then it can get like another layer

of complication for sure. But I have

definitely seen that

>> when a a central core group of uh

lesbians will like sort of like set a

trend for themselves and not alone by

the way. Usually it takes a team like it

does with me. But then you will start to

see lesbians everywhere looking

>> like I've noticed that me and Kate

McKennon are morphing into each other

in more ways than one.

>> I didn't say it.

>> Okay. I want to talk to you a little bit

about touring. You really nicely came

when Tina and I were on tour. You really

nicely came one time and did our show,

which was so nice of you.

>> I don't think you know how enthused I

was to get to do that. I don't think

what I did to get home so that I could

do that. Brandy, thank you.

>> I It wasn't even a thank you thing. It

was like it's a thank you from me. I was

so excited to get to do that. I love you

guys so much. You said famously that

like

>> you're you first of all, I love

everything you've done, all the movies

and everything like that. Sister, stop

right now. Pick a Destiny De. Um, but

you

>> you said that the best SNL cast is the

one when you were 13.

>> Not not for me. It was the uh late 90s

to mid early 2000s. That was my that is

my SNL cast. So you guys are like

everything to me and I was so excited to

get to go there and do that with

>> you. We had an amazing couple years. I

got to say when I look at our what who I

was on SNL with at the time it was

>> crazy heavy hitters.

>> Anna, Maya, you, Tina, Rachel, I mean

Will,

>> Horatio. Yes.

>> Were you did you cross over with Chris?

>> Yeah.

>> Just I don't know. I'm just all I'm

saying is you can cut this if you want,

but I'm just such a fan and to get to do

that with you guys.

>> It's funny that you bring up this

channel. Just yesterday my kid was

eating mango and he was like, "Do you

want the mango?" And I was like, "Do you

want the mango?" And he was like,

"What?" And I was like, "Oh, um, there's

a character named Mango that you wanted

the mango. I'm going to show it to you."

I was like, "YOU HAVE NO IDEA. You

haven't met Mango yet."

>> Yeah. No.

Um, and so but touring is its own thing

and its own, you know, and and I'm sure

you have it down. You've toured a

million different ways and you've

figured out like how you like to tour.

What do you like about touring and what

have you adjusted now to make you like

it even more? How do you adjust it

Brandy style? So, you know what I mean?

like, oh, if I'm going to be in the

city, I'm going to make sure that I

>> don't visit anybody and don't do

anything but just do my show, or I'm

going to back back time 3 hours from the

show and make sure I have a steak or

whatever.

>> Yeah. Well, it's changed so much because

you've accumulated people. Yeah.

>> And restaurants and places and parks and

walks and little, you know, urban rivers

to fish in in my case.

>> And you're a big fisher. You love to

fish.

>> Yeah. So, I've I've acquired memories in

each of these each of these places.

They're my place now. And so, yeah, I go

there and I do all those things. And now

that I'm older and I can't sing as

uninhibitedly as I used to when I was

younger and I used to just blow my voice

out all the time,

>> I'm really careful about days off. So, I

wind up getting a day off usually in

most cities to sort of exerience it. One

thing I can't do is sleep all day.

That's not good for me emotionally. And

like I said, I can't uh do too much

drinking. Yeah.

>> And uh

>> let's talk about sleep for a second.

>> Yeah, sleep, man.

>> Do you like it?

>> Well, we got to do it.

>> Do you get enough?

>> I do. I do.

>> What do you do? What's your bedtime

routine?

>> Okay. Well, it involves a heating pad.

>> Do you know about the biomat?

>> Yeah. You know, Alennena Moriceette just

sent me one and it's life. It's changed

my First of all, it's impossible to get

up off of it. Once you get on, it sucks

you in like

>> Yeah. And you got to be so careful not

to bed rot when you're not sleeping.

Don't go back to that bed

>> once you get out.

>> Do you put your biomat in your bed?

>> I mean, I've been known to

>> for those people that don't know, it's

there's many versions of it, but it's

basically like a giant heating pad that

has crystals in it or whatever they say

and it grounds you and it it's

incredible.

>> Yeah, it's incredible. And I love a

heating pad. Like I travel with one, you

know. Um but my bedtime routine is Yeah.

I get on the heating pad

>> and I take a melatonin gummy.

>> Nice.

>> And I talk with my wife and we do the

debrief of the day. That's I think so

important for I just think that's so I

don't know. Do you do that?

>> Yeah. I love the I love the being able

to kind of re like have a review

>> Yes.

>> of the day.

>> Get out of your own head and the way

that you saw yourself and your own

behavior. Hear somebody else's take on

it. If you're developing conspiracy

theories about other people or starting

to crystallize into like weird

political, you know, belief systems.

Yeah.

>> You learned you went down a rabbit hole

or whatever and then you just you have a

a conversation with a human being that

knows you at night

>> and it's a real head cleansing

experience. And it's also a time where

you can kind of decide like I'm going to

drag some of these things to trash and

then some I'm going to kind of take with

me to the next day, you know, like some

I'm going to just kind of talk through

and they're going to float away. Yeah.

>> And other things I'm going to remember

and keep.

>> Yeah. And you kind of dream calibrate.

>> Yeah.

>> And then you get

>> Do you wear an eye shade?

>> Yeah. Lately.

>> Interesting. Earplugs.

>> No, I feel claustrophobic when I put in

earplugs.

>> Yeah. Same. I can't do earplugs. And eye

shade I can't really do either. What's

your sleep routine and do you get

enough? I try to get so much. I love

sleep so much.

>> All I think about is when can I get

sleep and like how many hours can I get

and

>> what's your mattress?

>> I that's where I'm I need some help.

>> Okay, I got some thoughts.

>> Really? Tell me.

>> Okay, so I'm a big mattress person. The

first the very first thing I did when I

made any money was buy every single

person I know a mattress.

>> Wa, that's such a baller move.

>> It was like It was like when

Tempropedics first came out and and I

didn't have that much money. some of my

financed.

>> You were like, I'm going to get this

paid someday.

>> Yes, exactly.

>> That is awesome.

>> But I because of the sleep thing like

you know, but that was like that was

when Tempropedic first came out. So I

was like a big tempropedic person. I do

not get paid by Tempic.

>> But I yet but I bought everyone a

Tempropedic mattress. And lately I've

really been into this other mattress

called the Purple mattress.

>> Hold on.

>> So these two

>> I need a new mattress. Okay, these are

the ones.

>> And and and a new mattress is one of

those like adult things that literally

feels impossible. Like you're like, I

guess I can never get it. Like I'm

really good at adulting. I get a lot of

stuff done. I'm not a procrastinator,

but something about a new mattress, I'm

like, I guess I'll just never get a

mattress.

>> Why?

>> I don't know. I really

>> Okay. What do you like about this

mattress?

>> Well, I mean, sell me this mattress.

>> Okay. Uh the purple mattress.

>> Sure.

>> Okay. So, it's anything that feels like

this like zeroravity mattress situation

where you like in my mind I tell myself

if I'm not like pressed up against

something hard and my like blood can

flow freely throughout my body and my

circulation is good then I'm healing

when I'm asleep.

>> So, you like you don't like do you like

a softness then? You don't like a firm

mattress?

>> You know, it's like less blankets more

blankets. It's like a combination of

things. I just think that like

Tempropedic and Purple, these two

mattresses, they provide this kind of

zero gravity feeling where if you wake

up in the middle of the night, no part

of you feels pressed up against

something else.

>> Yeah.

>> And also, if we ever sleep in the same

bed, which I feel like is a possibility,

>> don't touch the rumors.

>> Don't be touched by other people when

I'm sleeping.

>> 100. No touch. No, absolutely no

touching. Well, also I'm a certain age

where like I have to find cool spots a

lot. I don't like think it's very hot.

So, and I don't like I don't like

touching. And also I've said this many

times before on podcast and I'm sorry

I'm saying it but I wear a seat machine.

>> Oh. So

>> um and because I have sleep apnnea

we are so hot when we go to bed.

>> So is that going to I think that's going

to really

>> eye mask. No ear plugs.

>> Special match

biomat.

>> So hot. That's that's the like I mean

it's true love actually. It's whoever

whoever can get past that is it's really

true love.

>> Yeah.

>> But what's in your writer? Do you have a

rider?

>> Yeah, I do.

>> Anything fun?

>> No. It's so boring. Like I'm just

>> That means you're a normal person.

>> Very boring to you. Like

>> No. People that are have weird riders

feel honestly it feels like it's a

stressful way to get people to run

around for them. It is because you know

my best friend her job was writers for a

while

>> and that's kind of when I was like no my

writer is like normal. It's like what

kind of stuff you

>> I need an avocado.

>> Perfect.

>> I need lemons.

>> Yep.

>> I need uh just some like Lroy.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's got to be cold. And then um

like tuna salad.

>> Love that.

>> Every show every I always have to have

tuna salad and bananas. And I don't like

any of those things.

But they are a part of my routine.

I have to have them.

Okay. Well, the rider question brings me

to we do this thing on the show where we

have people who know our guest um zoom

with me before I talk to our guest to

speak well behind their back and also to

give me a question. So, we talked to

Marin Morris today.

>> Oh god, I love Marin.

>> I know. I do too. And I I I mean the

high women were that is such an incred

such a great example of you and all of

those women of course but like women

working together in real time to make

really cool stuff and everyone saying

yes right away and Brandy being the one

that's like let's do it. I'm going to

make it happen. Here are the dates.

Let's go. And then making this great

record and performing with Dolly. Like

it just feels like that whole experience

was so awesome. Was it?

>> It was. It was not uncomplicated but it

was awesome. Yeah.

>> And just like something I am so proud we

did and actually something I think we

should do again

>> because it's like that combination of

women was really interesting and wild

and I want I want that back in a way

>> especially as my well as my girls are

getting older. I just they were so

little when I did it and now you know

that they are where they are. I just

want us I want them to watch us do it.

>> Yeah. I think they'd really learn from

it. And then our our kids, you know,

like we did that Marin didn't have a

child yet. And you know, it's like now

they're all so big. Mercy's big and

Sammy Joe's big and my kids are getting

big. And I just having a a girl on the

on the precipice of being a teenager. I

think it would be really neat thing to

show them.

>> Well, that's exactly what Marian's

question was is she was basically saying

like, you have two daughters. You're

watching your girls get older. they're

coming to your shows like

>> like you know her question was like

>> you know any advice you know cuz you

know Marin's got a little boy and just

and and what we were talking about was

even extrapolating from that it's just

this idea of like a working mother like

how do we figure out how to invite our

kids into the world and show them you

know it's such a great it's such a great

thing to watch your mom do what she

loves to do. It's a big deal.

>> Yeah it's a big deal

>> and especially for young girls. So, when

they come and watch you, do they um what

do you think about when they're when

they're around you when you're on tour?

I know you've brought them, of course,

many times on tour. Like, what are you

thinking about now with your daughters

and and and what you want them to see?

And what do they do? They like watching

you perform.

>> The girls like watching me perform.

They're both really into sports, which

is mystifying to me because I never, you

know, but like they were like watching

the World Series and they were crying

when the Mariners got defeated and now

they won't ever even go to Toronto

because they're so mad at the Blue Jays

and like I have no feelings about sports

whatsoever. But I'll take them to a game

and then I'll watch them watch that and

I'm like, you know, the concerts don't

really register in the same

>> Well, it's how do you how do you um uh

rebel when your mom's a rock star is you

become a jock.

>> Oh, I hope this is not a sign of things

to come. But they they seem more like

and I'm this is occurring to me as I'm

saying it. They seem more excited by and

interested in the way I interact with

fans

>> as a person as a public person

>> than actually how I do music. They're

more interested in the fact that I'm a

little bit famous

>> than

>> whether I'm a good or bad singer.

>> And they're very interested right now in

the way my music interfaces with

politics.

>> Oh wow. And maybe that's why I'm

>> so interested in in um Marin's question

and in and in being a part of like

another chapter for the Highwoman is I

think they would really like it. Like

their f very favorite song from my album

is Church and State. They loved the SNL

performance and they're very proud of of

that even with their limited

>> knowledge. You know, they know there's a

struggle and that our family's a part of

it

>> and they're very proud of that and more

interested in that than they even seem

to be the musical aspect.

>> And they probably are just figuring that

out that oh, my mom's art, her job is

speaking to that. I bet you they're just

figuring that out for the first time.

>> They are. They like it.

>> Very cool.

>> Yeah. And that's they seem to be just

energized about about those kinds of

things. And it it does sort of translate

to their behavior in sports and stuff. I

took them to like a Seattle rain a

soccer game

>> and they were just took on a life of

their own. You know that song You

Without Me from my album

>> though them in sports is a you without

me moment. I don't know who they are

when they're screaming those things and

they're like be aggressive. Be be

aggressive. I'm like no don't be

aggressive. But they're like that's a

chant mom.

>> Yeah that's a chant mom.

They're like where where it's so

interesting though because I feel like

you have a you have a

>> you're you are you know in positively

competitive and you have a a player's

attitude toward your work.

>> I'm driven but I'm not competitive like

it's crazy. No, it's actually annoy it's

annoying. I think

>> interesting

>> and I think it puts me a little bit on

the outs with my some of my friends.

Even like my relationship with Elton,

he's constantly annoyed by my lack of

it. But if I'm up for an award and

somebody else beats me, I mean, I'm

deflated for like three and a half

seconds until they get up and do their

speech and then I'm like fighting back

tears from like feeling so happy for

them. And like I'll go see my own kid

play soccer and I'm just so

I'm so proud of all those little girls

out there. I don't even know how to root

for my own kid because I'm so You know

what I mean?

>> Yeah. But but but what you're you're

saying, you just have a healthy

relationship to competition.

>> Maybe

>> because awards are crazy and they're

crazy.

>> Of course. And and you go there and it's

like if you actually, you know, what is

winning? Winning is just being at the

show. And same with, you know, watching

your like anyone who like yells on the

sideline is a total

nut. Okay. So our my last question is

and I ask all my guests this and I know

you're a real comedy fan.

>> You have like real

>> learning that.

>> Mhm.

>> So you have a you probably have a

refined taste and comedy is probably

something that you seek out and pay

attention to and care about.

>> What are you listening to, watching a

video, a TV show, a movie, old, new, or

like what what makes you laugh? How are

you like in these times? So, where do

you go when you want to feel that lift?

How do you

>> Where do I go? I go to a few uh core

movies. Like, I'll go to a few core

comedy movies. Um, and without sounding

too retro or old school, I mean,

>> I love Tommy Boy.

>> Oh my god,

>> I love Tommy Boy. I mean, Bridesmaids,

>> everything Tenacious D. I I loved

Sisters. I felt like that was a really

important one for a lot of reasons. And

then um SNL. I I like never miss SNL. I

love SNL and I've got my favorite old

episodes and my favorite

>> What's one of your favorite SNL

sketches?

>> One of my favorite SNL sketches.

>> We can watch it together.

>> Oh my god, there's so many so many good

ones. One that I come back to a lot is

the um Lysa Minnelli Turns on a Lamp.

Did you ever see that one?

>> Kristen Wig, a total genius.

>> That's a really good one.

>> I mean um

>> let's watch that for a second. I mean,

and by the way, hilarious physical

comedy, not great for podcasts, but um

uh okay, the the title says Liza

Minnelli tries to turn off a lamp.

>> Oh, that's what it is. Yeah.

>> I mean, Wig is so faking funny.

>> I know.

>> And Okay, let's watch this. I'm also a

huge Tracy Morgan fan. Tracy Morgan.

Okay, so this is

>> Babe. We've got the curtain goes up in

15 minutes. We got a scalizer.

Oh, sure. I'd be delighted.

>> Just let me turn ON SOME OF THESE LAMPS.

>> LIKE A BALL ON THE END OF A CHAIN.

REMEMBER THAT.

>> Brandy is dying.

>> I choke on a shrimp.

>> I love I love her. When she was on TV as

a young kid, I was like,

>> "Who who is that?" Yeah.

>> Liza, you're very talented.

>> Yes. You should stick with it,

>> Liza. Stick with it.

>> Stick with it, Liza. You picked the

right job. And Brandy, so did you.

>> You picked the You're just the best

singer. Congrats on your voice, on this

record, on all the things that

>> You're the best. You are the funniest.

>> I love talking the most interesting

person. I really feel I hope this is the

beginning of a long friendship.

>> Seriously,

>> I know you have a lot of people live in

your house. You have like a lot of

people in your house. Yeah. One or two

more. You might not even notice. No.

>> And if you need a trim carpenter, if

you're afraid to work with wood,

>> I can strengthen your results.

>> I am. I I feel like that's this time

around I'm probably not going to do

that.

>> Yeah.

>> But that's okay. God is fair, you know.

>> Thank you so much for doing this. Was so

fun. Such a joy.

>> Everything I hoped it would be.

>> Thank you so much, Brandy. You are

incredible. And um it was so so fun

hanging with you.

And um yeah, you know, we talked about

so many good things. One thing that we

spoke about which I just wanted to kind

of correct or plunge deeper into in the

Polar Plunge was the performance that

her and Benio Bryant did together for

the incredible song The Joke, which we

all know is one of Bry's best. Um and

that was on Late Night with Seth Meyers.

And Seth, I'm sorry that I forgot that.

Um, I love your work, Seth.

I love what you do. I'm a big big fan.

Um, but I can't remember where things,

you know, air anymore. And so I, it

sounded like it would be something that

you would have done. Great idea. Whoever

I, you know, I'm sure it wasn't your

idea, but whoever on your staff said to

do it, so smart. Um, and I'm sorry that

I might have attributed that that

performance to another late night show.

You're the only late night show I care

about. Um, so, uh, Seth, uh, congrats on

that. Um, and Brandy, beautiful work.

And listeners, thank you again for

tuning in. See you soon.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and

me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by

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